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    Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    So I was just viewing Drew Stubbs splits on the season. He had 77% of his plate appearances in the leadoff spot this season. He spent another 23% splitting time between the #3 and #5 spots in the line up. Take a look at the dramatic difference between the numbers when he bats leadoff and when he doesn't.
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    	     PA	   AB	H  2B  3B  HR  BB   BB%	   K	K%    AVG  OBP   SLG   OPS
    Bat 1st	     447  384  98  20   3   8  57  12.75  117  26.1  .255 .358	.385  .743
    Bat Other    124  112  35   8   1   4  10   8.10   25  20.1  .313 .371	.509  .880
    Is over 20% of the season too small of a sample size to take something away from these numbers?

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    I noticed that also. Maybe his approach changes. As a lead-off batter he may be trying to take a lot of pitches - as a good lead-off batter is wont to do - and get on any way he can, be it via a hit or a walk. However, Stubbs has contact issues which are aggravated by taking alot of pitches. If he falls behind he is meat. Perhaps when batting 3rd or 5th he simply goes up hacking. It would be interesting to see the difference in his pitches per plate appearance as a lead-off hitter as opposed to when he hits elsewhere in the lineup.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Sample size issues for sure, but the lower walk AND strikeout rates suggest that he's putting pitches in play earlier in his at bats. I wonder if they have a P/PA stat there.

    For somebody with middling contact rates, they are putting themselves in more trouble by working the count and watching hittable pitches go by.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Sample size issues for sure, but the lower walk AND strikeout rates suggest that he's putting pitches in play earlier in his at bats. I wonder if they have a P/PA stat there.

    For somebody with middling contact rates, they are putting themselves in more trouble by working the count and watching hittable pitches go by.
    I wish it were a stat available, but I don't think you will be able to find that for anyone below AAA. The only way you would be privy to that information would be to chart it yourself or contact the teams and hope they can supply it.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Maybe it has to do with the protection he has in the order. I think being a leadoff hitter is more difficult than people give credit for.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    So I was just viewing Drew Stubbs splits on the season. He had 77% of his plate appearances in the leadoff spot this season. He spent another 23% splitting time between the #3 and #5 spots in the line up. Take a look at the dramatic difference between the numbers when he bats leadoff and when he doesn't.
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    	     PA	   AB	H  2B  3B  HR  BB   BB%	   K	K%    AVG  OBP   SLG   OPS
    Bat 1st	     447  384  98  20   3   8  57  12.75  117  26.1  .255 .358	.385  .743
    Bat Other    124  112  35   8   1   4  10   8.10   25  20.1  .313 .371	.509  .880
    Is over 20% of the season too small of a sample size to take something away from these numbers?
    Wasn't he moved out of the leadoff spot during the 2nd half? It might just have to do with him starting to progress a bit.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Not exactly edabbs. He was moved out in the second half, but moreso toward the end of July. He had been hitting well in July, but in August his average and slugging both went up, while his OBP and strikeout rate went down.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Not exactly edabbs. He was moved out in the second half, but moreso toward the end of July. He had been hitting well in July, but in August his average and slugging both went up, while his OBP and strikeout rate went down.
    His two highest (by far) OPSs were July and August. His numbers might be a little better in August than July, but not materially in any way. I believe he is just starting to finally adjust to the level he is in.

    I think you are probably overthinking this one.
    Last edited by edabbs44; 09-13-2007 at 04:25 PM.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Bottomline, will the kid ever perform at the big league level?

    Defensively, he's touted as Gold Glove caliber, with range to boot.

    Offensively, he's the question mark of all question marks.


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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Bottomline, will the kid ever perform at the big league level?

    Defensively, he's touted as Gold Glove caliber, with range to boot.

    Offensively, he's the question mark of all question marks.


    Future everyday CF of the Reds, or future 4th OF?
    That is definitely the bottom line. But it seems we are a long ways off from getting the answer.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    I don't know what to make of it exactly, but it brings up some interesting thoughts regardless of whether is a real reason or not.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Did he make the change in appraoch (choking up on the bat) around the same time that he was moved in the batting order? Could that explain it?

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    Did he make the change in appraoch (choking up on the bat) around the same time that he was moved in the batting order? Could that explain it?
    No. Drew had a higher OPS the month before he began choking up on the bat, than he did the month that he did it. That gets blown out of proportion a lot.

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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    Stubbs did show alot of maturity when he began to choke up. A lot of baseball players are too embarrised to choke up on the bat. That is part of what you get from a college player.
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    Re: Interesting stat on Drew Stubbs and batting order

    That OBP shows a lot of hope.


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