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    Encarnacion trade rumor

    A poster on Sun Deck is quoting mlbtraderumors.com as saying that the Giants may trade Noah Lowry in the offseason, and that Encarnacion is one of the players they're looking at. So do you do a deal based around Encarnacion for Lowry? I'd hate to see him go, but you have to give up something to get something, and with Keppinger and maybe Cantu or Freel it would seem that we'd be covered at 3b. Thoughts?
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    for Lowry, no way. He doesn't miss nearly enough bats his K/BB ratio is 1.0. He would be going from an extreme pitchers park to a HR friendly park. The transition would likely not go well.

    His K/BB rate of 2.5 from 2005 has disappeared, he is not the same pitcher is unlikely to have success going forward unless he pitches half his games in SF.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    I agree -- Lowry seems to be going downhill. K:BB ratio is 1:1, amd after striking out 170+ in 05, he won't get to 100 this year. Having a terrible September, too. He's arb-eligible now, so he's due a big raise. I like the matchup with Minnesota (Slowey, Baker, et al) a lot better.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    Hopefully the Reds have suffered through the rough times with a young EE, he looks to me like he is a good bet for a breakout in 2008. If the Reds get give him up it had better be for someone young and cheap.

    Slowey(with his 16HR in 48IP) and less than electric stuff does not interest me all that much. Trade 'em Keppinger.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    Lowry was shut down with elbow strain.

    I can see WK making this deal. He'd see it as WMP/BA redux.

    Lowry is under contract through 2009 with an option for 2010 at a reasonable price (another similarity),

    I'll agree that I don't like it, but there may not be any better offers of pitching available. The worst thing about it, IMO, is that it enables WK to KEEP Juan Castro.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    Id rather have Sanchez than Lowry.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    Id rather have Sanchez than Lowry.
    I'd rather have a dirty Sanchez than Lowry.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    If Lowry's healthy, absolutely. If not, no.

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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    Encarncion still has a tremendous upside and could easily hit 25 home runs next season. What people forget that once he got out of Narron's doghouse (when Narron was fired), his stats started to improve.

    There is no doubt that the Reds need to improve their pitching via the trade market especially with the free agent market for pitchers pretty bland. But you have to unload salary in order to create payroll space to get quality pitching. Trading Encarncion doesn't accomplish that.

    I would trade either Griffey or Dunn first before thinking about dealing Encarncion for pitching.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    Well, looking at MLB Trade Rumors web site, this 'rumor' looks like nothing more than the author's speculation and wishes. Here is the exact quote:

    Lowry should've been traded at the deadline. I know McCovey Chronicles has been pushing for this for a while. Lowry had a 3.92 ERA this year despite a ton of baserunners. He's doing an OK job trying to become a groundball/contact pitcher. He's 27 and signed reasonably through 2010. The problem is that an elbow strain may cause other GMs to view him as damaged goods. That's a shame, because he might've extracted one or two very good and much-needed position players given the terrible free agent market. Could Garrett Atkins, Brent Lillibridge, Edwin Encarnacion, Steven Pearce, Conor Jackson, or Jeff Clement be acquired? If Lowry can re-establish his health, that's the route I attempt.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    Noah Lowry 3-Year Splits (2004-2006):

    Home: 272.0 IP- 23 HR, 3.38 ERA
    Away: 184.0 IP- 29 HR, 5.23 ERA

    It's better this year, but teams like the Reds need to be leery of pitchers who put up those kind of splits while playing in a park that suppresses Home Runs.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    The Giants could probably get Clement for him. I've read that the Mariners aren't so high on him. Lowry would probably do well in Safeco.

    I've also heard the Giants will have interest in ARod if he opts out of his contract. They'll start with the money saved from letting Bonds go.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    Quote Originally Posted by mbgrayson View Post
    Well, looking at MLB Trade Rumors web site, this 'rumor' looks like nothing more than the author's speculation and wishes.
    that's because the SF team has ZERO offensive talent not named Bonds. The offense is ready to fall off the planet with the end of the flaxseed era.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    I think Lowry needs a big ball park to survive.

    Frisco, Colorado, San Diego, Seattle, Grand Canyon, & Yellowstone come to mind.
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    Re: Encarnacion trade rumor

    I don't know if I'd give up Encarnacion to get Lowry. Since being recalled from Louisville; Edwin has been really providing some offense.

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    Granted Lowry would be a upgrade to those not named Harang and Arroyo and like chicoruiz said, "sometimes you have to give up something, to get something." It's a tough call especially when that "something" is a huge need for this team.

    As much as I'd love to obtain a young starting pitcher like Lowry I personally wouldn't do the move because I think this team needs to build around Encarnacion, Hamilton, Votto, Bailey, Cueto, Bruce, Phillips, Harang, and Arroyo.
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