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Thread: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

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    Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    Mets bullpen is getting destroyed these days. They have ten games left and can use any reinforcements they can get. If Stanton has cleared waivers, as I assume he has (or would), trade him to the Mets for a minor leaguer. Stanton wouldn't be eligible for post-season, but Mets probably won't care at this point.

    Another possibility is Boston, which is suffering from the same bullpen woes.

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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    Trade him anywhere....for anything.

    Even if it's nothing.

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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    If you can get somebody to assume his 2008 salary, then by all means.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    Which GM do you want to see fired first? That would be the team he should go to.
    It's absolutely pathetic that people can't have an opinion from actually watching games and supplementing that with stats. If you voice an opinion that doesn't fit into a black/white box you will get completely misrepresented and basically called a tobacco chewing traditionalist...
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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    Quote Originally Posted by Team Clark View Post
    Which GM do you want to see fired first? That would be the team he should go to.
    I hear Houston has a new GM with a thing for overrated veteran middle relievers.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    The Red Sox already did that once, they traded for Mike Stanton with just a few games left in the '05 season. Of course, he was not 40+ and under contract for '06 at the time. But, you never know, maybe they want to break the record for most 40+ year old pitchers on a staff, since they already have 3.
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    So the Mets and BoSox have pens that are on fire and the Reds come to them offering a tanker of gasoline. Even at a discounted price, it seems a little unlikely that either would jump at the offer. Besides Rick White is a free agent again... Gasoline is freely available when it comes to powering major league bullpens.
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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    If the receiving team is taking on his contract next year, I say do it. I've always felt folks on RZ were too hard on Stanton. He's had a number of outings in which he stunk up the universe - take away five outings in which he was awful and he's got a decent 3.10 ERA. I think he can help one of these two teams.

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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    If the receiving team is taking on his contract next year, I say do it. I've always felt folks on RZ were too hard on Stanton. He's had a number of outings in which he stunk up the universe - take away five outings in which he was awful and he's got a decent 3.10 ERA. I think he can help one of these two teams.
    Stanton at this point in his career is just an arm. His peripherals suggest middle reliever. He hasn't had platoon splits to suggest he'd be good as a situational guy for a couple of years. Whatever club that would trade for him would be on the hook for a minimum of $3.5M. They could expect to get similar production from several arms in their own system at the cost of league minimum. Neither the Mets nor the Redsox should consider Stanton an answer.
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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    I don't think Stanton is a good pitcher but it seems like when he gets into trouble, he gets doinked, blipped and flared to death. His BABIP (.362) kind of bears that out. Of course, its his fault when hitters are batting .317 against him.

    By all means, trade him if you can but we all know the minimum number of participants required to tango.
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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    What have you got against the Mets and the Red Sox?
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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62 View Post
    What have you got against the Mets and the Red Sox?

    Funny.

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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    I don't think Stanton is a good pitcher but it seems like when he gets into trouble, he gets doinked, blipped and flared to death. His BABIP (.362) kind of bears that out. Of course, its his fault when hitters are batting .317 against him.
    I'm guessing that the .362 BABIP number has alot to do with that .317 BAA. If his BABIP was a more normal .306, his BAA would be about .247.


    His DIPS ERA is a more reasonable 4.25.

    He's had bad luck to be sure. He may not be great, but he's also not as bad as he has looked.

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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    I'm guessing that the .362 BABIP number has alot to do with that .317 BAA. If his BABIP was a more normal .306, his BAA would be about .247.


    His DIPS ERA is a more reasonable 4.25.

    He's had bad luck to be sure. He may not be great, but he's also not as bad as he has looked.
    As I noted earlier, if you look at his stats without his five worst outings (3-4 runs allowed in each), his ERA is a respectable 3.10 - that's out of a total of 66 appearances. I can recall a few times he let up some dink hits that fell in. It's what makes baseball both fascinating and maddening. I'm not saying the guy's a superstar, but he's not the horror story some paint him to be.

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    Re: Reds Should Trade Stanton to Mets or Red Sox

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    As I noted earlier, if you look at his stats without his five worst outings (3-4 runs allowed in each), his ERA is a respectable 3.10 - that's out of a total of 66 appearances. I can recall a few times he let up some dink hits that fell in. It's what makes baseball both fascinating and maddening. I'm not saying the guy's a superstar, but he's not the horror story some paint him to be.
    If you look at Todd Coffey's stats minus his five worst outings he's made 48 appearances with an ERA of 3.13.
    Last edited by jojo; 09-21-2007 at 12:00 PM.
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