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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    Got to figure Bruce and Cueto will be top five selections.

    I'd be shocked if Watson made the list. He didn't make it in the MWL and he got his head handed him to him in the FSL.

    Sure things for the FSL list should include:

    Will Inman
    Jason Donald
    Josh Outman
    Tyler Colvin
    Steve Tolleson
    Oswaldo Sosa
    Jeff Manship
    Cameron Maybin
    Allen Craig
    Adam Ottavino
    Austin Jackson
    Jose Tabata
    Jacob McGee
    Wade Davis

    Ian Kennedy and Joba Chamberlain would be locks, but I don't know if they threw enough innings to qualify.

    So that's 16 guys counting Bruce and Cueto, potentially 18. Then you've got guys like Alcides Escovar, Jay Rainville, Colin Curtis, Carlos Carrasco, Aaron Thompson and Greg Golson. I'd be surprised if anyone else from the Sarasota club makes it, but if I had to pick a sleeper from the Reds organization here, I'd go with Jose Castro.
    Nice rundown. Carlos Carrasco will definitely be on the list -- he's a BA fave. My choice for sleeper is Roenicke, though I'm fully expecting Bruce and Cueto only.
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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Nice rundown. Carlos Carrasco will definitely be on the list -- he's a BA fave. My choice for sleeper is Roenicke, though I'm fully expecting Bruce and Cueto only.
    Carrasco probably will make it. He was a mid-season All-Star in the FSL and he made the Futures Game. Did Roenicke pitch enough to qualify? If he did, so did Kennedy and Chamberlain, so that could be a double-edged sword in terms of him making the list.
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    Did Roenicke pitch enough to qualify? If he did, so did Kennedy and Chamberlain, so that could be a double-edged sword in terms of him making the list.
    Ah, good point. He's got about as much of a chance of making the list over those guys as I do. You know, we debated Kennedy last year and it looks like he's a lot better than I thought he'd be. Chamberlain, well, an arm like that should never have dropped out of the first round -- it wasn't like he was asking for big money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Ah, good point. He's got about as much of a chance of making the list over those guys as I do. You know, we debated Kennedy last year and it looks like he's a lot better than I thought he'd be. Chamberlain, well, an arm like that should never have dropped out of the first round -- it wasn't like he was asking for big money.
    His arm wasn't like it is now during his final season in college. Thats why he dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    His arm wasn't like it is now during his final season in college. Thats why he dropped.
    Yeah, there was some injury concern on him that caused him to drop late, but he definitely tumbled too far. Bet the Red Sox wish they had grabbed him instead of Kris Johnson with the pick right before the Yankees took him.

    Identifying him as a reliever and using him in that role from the get-go was inspired development too.

    lollipop, I think it's fair to say Kennedy's been better than everybody thought he'd be.
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    M2, you aren't talking about Chamberlain being identified as a reliever and using him from the get go as one are you? He started 15 games this year in the minors.

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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    M2, you aren't talking about Chamberlain being identified as a reliever and using him from the get go as one are you? He started 15 games this year in the minors.
    Geez, my bad. I knew that and then forgot it. Good catch.
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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Very interesting about the Stubbs bat speed comment. Someone, who I don't recall currently, said that after watching Stubbs a few times that he was swinging a slow bat and wouldn't be able to catch up with any bigtime fastballs.

    I figured Stubbs would fall somewhere in the 8-12 range on this list. I am surprised that someone like Sean Watson or Chris Valaika were not somewhere on the back end of the list....
    Are there any other requirements to be included on this list - as in time spent playing in the Midwest League? Watson was promoted on 6/22 and Valaika was promoted on 7/3 to Sarasota...
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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    Are there any other requirements to be included on this list - as in time spent playing in the Midwest League? Watson was promoted on 6/22 and Valaika was promoted on 7/3 to Sarasota...
    I think there are requirements for the number of ABs and innings pitched, but I don't know what the numbers are specifically.

    Kitty, you see lots of Dragons games, right? What did you think of the higher profile guys -- Stubbs, Francisco, Watson, Valaika? Any of these guys impress you?
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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    I think there are requirements for the number of ABs and innings pitched, but I don't know what the numbers are specifically.

    Kitty, you see lots of Dragons games, right? What did you think of the higher profile guys -- Stubbs, Francisco, Watson, Valaika? Any of these guys impress you?
    Unfortunately for Stubbs he played in Dayton after Bruce, and Dragons fans, including myself, tended to compare the two with Drew obviously paling against Jay. He tended to be even in his offensive and defensive abilities - he batted at various positions in the lineup including leadoff.

    Francisco is a junior EE - fantastic power that needs to be channeled, and very rough around the edges defensively.

    Watson - cannot comment on him too much only saw him pitch once and wasn't paying too much attention to get a read.

    Valaika... later (I have to work right now!)
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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    Valaika and Watson were both eligible for this list, and both barely missed making it (likely in the 21-25 range).

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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    Valaika... later
    OK... later is NOW! Even tho' Stubbs was the 1st pick, the real hype IMHO with this year's Dragons team was Valaika... the achievement in Billings the previous year (hitting streak) made him worth watching - AND he didn't disappoint offensively. To be honest, I didn't really pay too much attention to his defense so I would assume it was pretty adequate (for low A ball). I still maintain that I am against promotions from low A to high A ball in the middle of the season - maybe pitchers - but definately not hitters. I don't have any stats to back this up it just seems as if the players (the players I care about) seem to suffer. Or maybe it's just that I'm selfish as a Dragons fan. Dunn, Kearns, Pena, Encarncion, Votto (1/2 2003 - 1/2 2004) and Bruce all spent full seasons at low A ball. Low A ball is the first time many of these position players have played a "full" season of professional ball - starting in April and going thru to the end of August. Rookie ball is usually 3 months.

    Sorry of the rant - back to Chris V... it was more than a little disappointing to see him promoted - tho' I am sure he was thrilled.

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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    OK - more thoughts on Chris...at Sarasota he struggled with numbers of .253/.310/.332. Hopefully, he will rebound and I will be looking forward to seeing him in ST next March.
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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    thanks KD -- good stuff -- I think the Reds want to keep the Dragons competitive -- that's why a guy like Turner stayed there all year

    the big question for next is will they have Frazier and Cozart there, or will they be bumped to Sarasota?
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    Re: BA: Midwest League Top 20 (2 REDS)

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    the big question for next is will they have Frazier and Cozart there, or will they be bumped to Sarasota?
    Cozart's probably ticketed for Dayton. He certainly didn't show anything that would lead a person to believe he should move up a level.

    Frazier's placement will be interesting. You'd have to think that the Sarasota IF would be Parker, Turner, Valaika and Francisco in a universe without Frazier.

    Does Frazier have bat enough to play in AA next year? He might. And how long does he stay at SS? He's a fascinating complication.
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