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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    Not to get off on a tangent, but it seems that there are many more tests to an OFer's range then there is their throwing arm, so if I had to take either/or, gimme the range.
    this is very true for a centerfielder. while Hamilton last year and Bruce this year will be ok in CF they are natural right fielders. they just don't have the blazing speed to play a great centerfield, especially with Dunn in LF and Griffey in RF.
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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    Quote Originally Posted by hippie07 View Post
    Wow - don't know what kinda player he is .. you'd expect most guys to say "I'm going to win the job period"... and then if he doesnt then he makes the kinda statements that you read above about not being happy... I dont know.. he sounds a little soft 2 me
    To me I thought it sounded refreshingly honest. It might not have been what everyone wanted to hear or expected him to say but its most likely how he really feels.

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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    maybe its honest, but I think a competitor never gives up the boat as much as it sounds like Crisp has, IMHO.

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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    Good idea for next year. Where does he play this year? Who sits?

    Do you send Votto to the Sox and have Dunn and Junior play rock/paper/scissors to decide who goes to first?

    If you do that, then who plays first next year?

    I just don't see a whole lot of ways to make the puzzle pieces fit this year and next without finding a way to include Dunn or Griffey in another immediate transaction.

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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    Quote Originally Posted by GoReds View Post
    Good idea for next year. Where does he play this year? Who sits?

    Do you send Votto to the Sox and have Dunn and Junior play rock/paper/scissors to decide who goes to first?

    If you do that, then who plays first next year?

    I just don't see a whole lot of ways to make the puzzle pieces fit this year and next without finding a way to include Dunn or Griffey in another immediate transaction.
    Bruce learns better plate discipline in AAA until Griffey goes down then Bruce takes RF and Crisp plays center the whole time. Then next season with Griffey gone you have an OF of Dunn, Crisp, Bruce.

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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    I have no problem with the idea of acquiring Crisp. He makes a reasonable salary, $4.75M this year and $5.75M in 2009 ($8M option with $.5M buyout in 2010. and would help the OF defense immensely.

    However, who do you trade for him? So long as Keppinger is the RH 1B, I don't think you can afford to move Freel. Obviously Stanton comes up, but he has no trade value. Even if they'd take Stanton to balance out salaries, how do we provide them value? Hatteberg doesn't work since they signed Casey.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    Quote Originally Posted by kbrake View Post
    Bruce learns better plate discipline in AAA until Griffey goes down then Bruce takes RF and Crisp plays center the whole time. Then next season with Griffey gone you have an OF of Dunn, Crisp, Bruce.
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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I have no problem with the idea of acquiring Crisp. He makes a reasonable salary, $4.75M this year and $5.75M in 2009 ($8M option with $.5M buyout in 2010. and would help the OF defense immensely.

    However, who do you trade for him? So long as Keppinger is the RH 1B, I don't think you can afford to move Freel. Obviously Stanton comes up, but he has no trade value. Even if they'd take Stanton to balance out salaries, how do we provide them value? Hatteberg doesn't work since they signed Casey.
    Maybe Hopper and a prospect? While Hopper is inferior to Crisp, it does give them a backup and it also gives salary relief. I just don't know what kind of prospect it would take to pry Crisp away.

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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    Payroll is already teetering on the $80M mark. I don't think we're going to see another $4-5M added unless it's a trade deadline deal and the Reds are sniffin' something special. Personally, i think Blanton's salary ($3.7M) is a factor in why Cueto isn't wearing an Athletics jersey right now. It might not be the biggest factor but I think it's an issue that has helped tip the scales toward caution for a FO that seems unsure of whether to pull the trigger with Beane.

    Also, concerning outfielders I think arm strength is generally overrated for OFers and I'd take range over arm everyday in each OF position all other things being equal.
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    Re: Interesting idea- Crisp in CF?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Even if they'd take Stanton
    Hey! That's just mean. What did I ever do to you?
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