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    Elias Sports' Bureau rankings....

    I don't know when they come out, but whenever anyone can find them, would you post them here?

    The rankings I'm speaking of are the "A-B-C tiers" for all pitchers and hitters from both leagues. They determine what compensation a team gets for another club signing one of it's players that become a Free Agent.

    The ranking I'm most interested in seeing is the one for Scott Hatteberg. The ranking always takes into account the last two years together, and last year he was 5 players below the "B-tier" cutoff line. I think he improved enough to become a "B-tier" with the back-to-back seasons he had.

    That would net us a compensatory pick at the end of the 1st Round if we just let him go. I'd love to have that pick rather than Hatteberg on the bench as I think his value on the bench over what other bench choices we have outweighs getting that extra pick between the 1st and 2nd round next June.
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    Re: Elias Sports' Bureau rankings....

    Keep in mind that the rules changed on this with the latest CBA. From mlb.com's site last October:

    Free agent compensation
    • Type C free agent classification is eliminated.
    • Teams that lose a Type B free agent will now earn a sandwich pick instead of taking selection from club that signed player.
    • The pool of Type A players shrinks from top 30 percent of each position to top 20 percent, while the Type B player pool will be reduced from the top 31-50 percent of players to 21-40 percent.
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    Re: Elias Sports' Bureau rankings....

    Seems to me that it'd be a longshot to get comp for Hatte. We'd have to decline his option and then offer him arbitration. I doubt anyone will sign him before seeing if we offer him arbitration. I see him as an afterthought signing by another team in Jan/Feb. The Reds risk being on the hook for more money in arbitration than they declined in not picking up his option. I don't see them taking that risk.

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    Re: Elias Sports' Bureau rankings....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Seems to me that it'd be a longshot to get comp for Hatte. We'd have to decline his option and then offer him arbitration. I doubt anyone will sign him before seeing if we offer him arbitration. I see him as an afterthought signing by another team in Jan/Feb. The Reds risk being on the hook for more money in arbitration than they declined in not picking up his option. I don't see them taking that risk.
    I agree. I think there may be more value in picking up the option and then move him in the offseason or early in the year. If that doesn't work out, he's a nice option off the bench.
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    Re: Elias Sports' Bureau rankings....

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I agree. I think there may be more value in picking up the option and then move him in the offseason or early in the year. If that doesn't work out, he's a nice option off the bench.
    I think that's a more likely scenario.

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    Re: Elias Sports' Bureau rankings....

    Where I'm certain he would have been in the 40.01-50%, I'm not so sure he would have been in the 31-40% of 1B/OF in the NL.

    Again, his 05-06 rankings:

    23 Randy Winn 73.222 A
    24t Brady Clark 72.000 A
    24t Jim Edmonds 72.000 A
    26t Mike Cameron 71.333 A
    26t Cliff Floyd 71.333 A
    28 Aubrey Huff 70.889 A
    29 Juan Encarnacion 70.667 A
    30 Barry Bonds 70.000 A
    31 Jacque Jones 67.111 A
    32 Matt Murton 66.889 A
    33 David Dellucci 66.333 A
    34 Dave Roberts 66.000 A
    35 Austin Kearns 65.444 A
    36 Kenny Lofton 64.444 B
    37 Josh Willingham 63.111 B
    38 Ryan Church 62.000 B
    39 Ryan Freel 61.333 B
    40 Aaron Rowand 61.111 B
    41 Jeff Conine 60.889 B
    42 Preston Wilson 60.778 B
    43 Nomar Garciaparra 60.000 B
    44 Jeff Francoeur 58.889 B
    45t Kevin Mench 58.444 B
    45t Xavier Nady 58.444 B
    47 Juan Pierre 58.111 B
    48 Jose Guillen 57.556 B
    49 Andre Ethier 55.889 B
    50 Shea Hillenbrand 54.783 B
    51 Ryan Klesko 53.778 B
    52 Chris Duncan 53.444 B
    53 Marlon Anderson 53.222 B
    54 Adam LaRoche 53.043 B
    55 Willy Taveras 52.222 B
    56 Luke Scott 52.111 B
    57t Jeromy Burnitz 51.111 B
    57t Matt Diaz 51.111 B
    59 Jason Lane 49.778 C
    60 Ryan Langerhans 49.333 C
    61 Eric Byrnes 49.222 C
    62 Scott Hatteberg 48.696 C
    63 So Taguchi 48.333 C
    64 Adrian Gonzalez 48.261 C
    65 Shane Victorino 48.000 C
    66t Alex Escobar 47.556 C
    66t Cory Sullivan 47.556 C
    68 Chris Burke 47.111 C
    69 Jeff DaVanon 46.222 C
    70 Tony Clark 46.087
    71 Gabe Gross 42.778
    72 Steve Finley 40.889
    73 Wes Helms 40.870


    Where he was at the 48.7% of the 05-06 seasons, he'll have to rise and some will have to fall (some will) ahead of him for him to reach the 60% plateau for the 2006-2007 seasons. The rankings aren't always about total at-bats either, as much as what you do with the at-bats you get, but it does give some weight to total at-bats.
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