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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    I like take "scrap the option, and sign Dunn long term" for 1000 Alex.

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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    And don't be surprised if Eddie Guardado's option is picked up.
    Yep, I see them finally giving up on Staton and eating the contract and Eddie being the new old lefty in the pen.
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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Stick him back in the bullpen....he may have more consistantcy there.
    As a 4 or 5 he'd be just fine, better then the other options.
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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    As a 4 or 5 he'd be just fine, better then the other options.
    That's the problem....the OTHER OPTIONS.

    That should indicate it's time to try to change those options this offseason.


    Matt Belisle is not the 3rd starter on a team who is trying to win...like he ended up being on this one.
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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    So, next year at this time (with the current roster), are EE and Majewski the only two that will be added to Phillips, Belisle, Coffey, and Cantu that are arb eligible (assuming they cut ties with Ellison and Saarloos)?

    Phillips - arb eligible '08, '09, '10 (free agent in 2011)
    Belisle - arb eligible '08, '09, '10 (free agent in 2011)
    Cantu - arb eligible '08, '09, '10 (free agent in 2011)
    Coffey - arb eligible '08, '09, '10 (free agent in 2011)

    Encarnacion - arb eligible '09, '10, '11 (free agent in 2012)
    Majewski - arb eligible '09, '10, '11 (free agent in 2012)

    Do I have that right?

    Two questions.

    1. What would a Cantu expect to receive in arbitration?
    2. Is there any scenario that would make sense for Saarloos and Ellison to be offered?

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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post

    2. Is there any scenario that would make sense for Saarloos and Ellison to be offered?
    I can't think of one.

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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    That's the problem....the OTHER OPTIONS.

    That should indicate it's time to try to change those options this offseason.


    Matt Belisle is not the 3rd starter on a team who is trying to win...like he ended up being on this one.
    But a team that's trying to win can keep him as a 4th or 5th.
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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    That's the problem....the OTHER OPTIONS.

    That should indicate it's time to try to change those options this offseason.


    Matt Belisle is not the 3rd starter on a team who is trying to win...like he ended up being on this one.

    This was Belisle's first season as a full time starter. His k-rate and walk-rate were fine, he just tended to have a big inning. He should improve with the experience. His DIPS was more in the 4.50 range which is good.

    I can't imagine any reasonable scenario where we will have 5 starters better than him. Whether or not you consider him a #3, #4 or #5 starter, or even a releif pitcher, you have to offer him arbitration.

    The fact that you don't envision him as a number 3 is fine, but you still gotta offer him arbitration.

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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    I'm pretty sure Gary Majewski is part of those who are Arbitration Eligible..
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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    You wouldn't want to take Dunn's $13M and sign one of these players (and get a 1st Round and Supplemental pick after the 1st Round in the 2008 draft)?

    2008 Free Agent Pitchers:

    Players with 2008 options are noted with an asterisk.

    Starting Pitchers
    Kris Benson * BAL
    Paul Byrd * CLE
    Shawn Chacon PIT
    Matt Clement BOS
    Bartolo Colon LAA
    Scott Elarton CLE
    Josh Fogg COL
    Casey Fossum * TB
    Freddy Garcia PHI
    Livan Hernandez ARZ
    Jason Jennings HOU
    Brian Lawrence * NYM
    Jon Lieber PHI
    Kyle Lohse PHI
    Rodrigo Lopez COL
    Greg Maddux * SD
    Wade Miller CHC
    Eric Milton CIN
    Odalis Perez * KC
    Joel Pineiro * STL
    Kenny Rogers DET
    Curt Schilling BOS
    Carlos Silva MIN
    Julian Tavarez * BOS
    Brett Tomko * LAD
    David Wells LAD
    Kip Wells STL
    Randy Wolf * LAD
    Jaret Wright BAL (released 10/01/07)
    Victor Zambrano BAL (released 10/01/07)

    Relief Pitchers
    Jeremy Affeldt COL
    Armando Benitez FLA
    Hector Carrasco * LAA
    Francisco Cordero MIL
    Rheal Cormier CIN
    Elmer Dessens COL
    Scott Eyre * CHC
    Roberto Hernandez * LAD
    Jason Isringhausen* STL
    Todd Jones DET
    Jorge Julio COL
    Joe Kennedy TOR
    Byung-Hyun Kim FLA
    Scott Linebrink MIL
    Ron Mahay ATL
    Trever Miller HOU
    Mike Myers * CWS
    Joe Nathan * MIN
    Chris Reitsma SEA
    Mariano Rivera NYY
    Rudy Seanez SD
    Mike Timlin BOS
    Mike Venafro STL
    Luis Vizcaino NYY
    Bob Wickman ARI
    Scott Williamson BAL
    Jay Witasick TB
    Kerry Wood CHC
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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis View Post
    You wouldn't want to take Dunn's $13M and sign one of these players (and get a 1st Round and Supplemental pick after the 1st Round in the 2008 draft)?
    Why shouldn't they keep Dunn and sign some pitchers? They've got the money.
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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    Why shouldn't they keep Dunn and sign some pitchers? They've got the money.
    It's the > $x million dollar rule.

    The Reds are apparently supposed to compete with no single player making more than a specific dollar amount. No matter how productive the Reds' high-salaried player(s) is, any single player making more than some specific dollar amount simply needs to be shipped out for mediocre to bad players in some fans' eyes. I haven't quite figured out where that salary line is, but it's there and it's several million less than what Dunn will make next season.

    Just wait two or three years when Brandon Phillips is making good money. Half the people who currently claim that Phillips is the best player on the team will be trying to run him out of town too for mediocre to bad players, because in two or three years Phillips will supposedly be making too much money to continue playing in a Reds uniform.

    Aaron Harang will be a key guy to watch out for too. Everyone loves Harang right now, because his salary this season and next won't be too high. But come 2009 when Harang is making $11 million, there will be some people clamoring to get rid of him ... because he'll be making too much money, or so they'll say.
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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    It's the > $x million dollar rule.

    The Reds are apparently supposed to compete with no single player making more than a specific dollar amount. No matter how productive the Reds' high-salaried player(s) is, any single player making more than some specific dollar amount simply needs to be shipped out for mediocre to bad players in some fans' eyes. I haven't quite figured out where that salary line is, but it's there and it's several million less than what Dunn will make next season.

    Just wait two or three years when Brandon Phillips is making good money. Half the people who currently claim that Phillips is the best player on the team will be trying to run him out of town too for mediocre to bad players, because in two or three years Phillips will supposedly be making too much money to continue playing in a Reds uniform.
    Back in May, I said three more years and then trade him (Phillips). I still feel that way, even as much as I've been praising Phillips all year long.

    I don't feel any offensive player is good enough to justify spending more than 10-12% of the team's total payroll. I would go up to 15% on one pitcher, though.
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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Free agents, arbitration

    From Rob Butcher:

    Arbitration eligible
    Phillips
    Belisle
    Cantu
    Saarloos
    Ellison

    Free agents
    Milton
    Guardado (option)
    Hatteberg (option)
    Dunn (option)
    Valentin (option)
    Bellhorn

    ARBITRATION:

    dfa Saarloos and Ellison (in fact if they don't they're insane) and go to arb with the rest.

    FA

    Obviously let Milton go. Pick up options on Guardado and Dunn. If you can find another catcher, cut Valentin loose and don't offer the others. It's time to move on.

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    Re: Reds Free Agents and Arbitration eligibles...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    I'm pretty sure Gary Majewski is part of those who are Arbitration Eligible..
    Majewski?

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