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    Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster


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    CF Josh Hamilton/Ryan Freel
    3B Edwin Encarnacion
    RF Ken Griffey Jr.
    2B Brandon Phillips
    LF Adam Dunn
    SS Alex Gonzalez
    1B Joey Votto/Jorge Cantu
    C David Ross/Javier Valentin

    Aaron Harang
    Bronson Arroyo
    Carlos Silva
    Justin Germano
    Homer Bailey

    David Weathers
    Jared Burton
    Bill Bray

    As usual, the Reds need pitching, preferably two starters and a closer candidate. Unfortunately, there just isn't a lot available in free agency this winter and Cincinnati doesn't have a deep minor league system to deal from. While it's true the Reds have four of the game's top prospects in Jay Bruce, Homey Bailey, Joey Votto and Johnny Cueto, they have to keep those players and they don't have a lot of second-tier guys to use to entice other teams.

    So, the Reds could look to free agency first. They need to be in on both Koji Uehara and Kenshin Kawakami, but they're more likely to end up with Carlos Silva. While he'd be overpriced at $8 million per year, he has youth, durability and his ability to get a somewhat above average number grounders on his side. They could also trade for a veteran. Daniel Cabrera would be worth gambling on, or they could go after a veteran like Esteban Loaiza or Julian Tavarez. I have them trading Jeff Keppinger for Justin Germano, adding one more rotation option.

    The bullpen isn't quite so desperate of a need with Jared Burton establishing himself as a reliable setup man. David Weathers is less than ideal as a closer, but it'd be very expensive to replace him. The Reds figure to talk to Francisco Cordero, but they'll probably settle for a couple of lesser guys.

    The offense should be pretty well set if Adam Dunn's option is picked up. Ryan Freel is expendable, as the Reds can go with a Josh Hamilton/Norris Hopper platoon in center. However, his value is at rock bottom because of injuries. The Reds might as well keep him as protection for Hamilton and Ken Griffey Jr. Scott Hatteberg's option can be picked up, but he needs to be a bench player behind Votto. Jorge Cantu can start at first base against left-handers and serve as a backup elsewhere. The catching situation probably won't be upgraded since both David Ross and Javier Valentin are under contract for next year.

    If the Reds foolishly decline Dunn's option, they could go with Votto in left field and Hatteberg at first. They'd have a lot more money to throw at pitchers and they could become the favorites to land Cordero. However, they wouldn't be any better for it. My guess is that they'll exercise the option and then deal Dunn after he loses his no-trade protection on June 15. Either way, third place would seem to be the best-case scenario.
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    $8 Million a year for Carlos Silva?

    I guess if we gave $9 Million a year to Eric Milton, we've unfortunately set a precedent....



    Keppinger for Germano? I'm failing to see the logic in that move. For whatever reason, I see the Reds moving Alex Gonzalez in the offseason, and handing the SS job to Keppinger. I also don't see Germano returning to Cincinnati as a different pitcher. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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    I wouldn't be surprised.

    They could add Tavarez for the pleasure of the female fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised.

    They could add Tavarez for the pleasure of the female fans.
    And for entertainment value for when he has one of his blowups

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised.

    They could add Tavarez for the pleasure of the female fans.
    Better then Ezequiel Astacio.


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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Better then Ezequiel Astacio.

    That guy is the definition of the missing link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Better then Ezequiel Astacio.

    Gulp.. Yikes..
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    $8 Million a year for Carlos Silva?

    I guess if we gave $9 Million a year to Eric Milton, we've unfortunately set a precedent....



    Keppinger for Germano? I'm failing to see the logic in that move. For whatever reason, I see the Reds moving Alex Gonzalez in the offseason, and handing the SS job to Keppinger. I also don't see Germano returning to Cincinnati as a different pitcher. Correct me if I'm wrong.
    I'd probably go with Silva at 8 million.. heck Meche got 11 million a year and Silva IMO is better then Meche on top of that he is a year younger.

    I can't see the Reds dealing for Germano after a season plus that he was dealt. And I think Kepp is good for this team.. I hate to say it but I agree with you high and try to deal Gonzalez.. unfortunately I think A-Gon's mind was else where this season and caused him to have so many errors.
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    Hell no to Carlos Silva. Save that money and sign Francisco Cordero instead. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing them sign Matt Clement to a one-year deal and see if he has anything left. Also, I like the idea of trading for Daniel Cabrera if he could be had cheaply. I believe it was M2 who said the other day that Cabrera could make for a great reliever, and I agree with that. I would love to see the Reds take a chance on him. Ervin Santana is another guy I would target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    Better then Ezequiel Astacio.


    Wow! I stand corrected. There's actually someone out there uglier than Tavarez.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Hell no to Carlos Silva.
    The non-baseball reasons...

    (1) June 13, 2003: The brawl, which occurred during the sixth inning of the Reds' 15-1 blowout, started shortly after Jason LaRue made it a 12-0 game with a two-run homer in the sixth. Carlos Silva began throwing inside on Adam Dunn to ignite the scrum. A warning was issued on a inside toss at Dunn's waist, but Silva threw behind the batter on the very next pitch. Dunn started slowly towards the mound at first, but then made a break for Silva. However, catcher Mike Lieberthal tackled Dunn by the ankles and the big outfielder fell to the ground. Silva took swings (cheap shots) at the fallen Dunn as both benches emptied and a brawl ensued.

    (2) Traded to Minnesota from Philadelphia in part for Eric Milton. Helped start the ball rolling for Milton to end up in a Cincinnati uniform for 3 years and $27 million.

    Hard to forgive (1). Not really his fault or doing on (2), but (1) makes it easier to find fault for the guy on (2).
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    The non-baseball reasons...

    (1) June 13, 2003: The brawl, which occurred during the sixth inning of the Reds' 15-1 blowout, started shortly after Jason LaRue made it a 12-0 game with a two-run homer in the sixth. Carlos Silva began throwing inside on Adam Dunn to ignite the scrum. A warning was issued on a inside toss at Dunn's waist, but Silva threw behind the batter on the very next pitch. Dunn started slowly towards the mound at first, but then made a break for Silva. However, catcher Mike Lieberthal tackled Dunn by the ankles and the big outfielder fell to the ground. Silva took swings (cheap shots) at the fallen Dunn as both benches emptied and a brawl ensued.

    (2) Traded to Minnesota from Philadelphia in part for Eric Milton. Helped start the ball rolling for Milton to end up in a Cincinnati uniform for 3 years and $27 million.

    Hard to forgive (1). Not really his fault or doing on (2), but (1) makes it easier to find fault for the guy on (2).
    I thought that was Vicente Padilla.. I stand corrected.. I don't want him..
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Hell no to Carlos Silva. Save that money and sign Francisco Cordero instead. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing them sign Matt Clement to a one-year deal and see if he has anything left. Also, I like the idea of trading for Daniel Cabrera if he could be had cheaply. I believe it was M2 who said the other day that Cabrera could make for a great reliever, and I agree with that. I would love to see the Reds take a chance on him. Ervin Santana is another guy I would target.
    Santana would be pricey and considering his amazingly bad road splits I would say no. Clement was always overrated. He's just officially toast now.
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by RedFanAlways1966 View Post
    The non-baseball reasons...

    (1) June 13, 2003: The brawl, which occurred during the sixth inning of the Reds' 15-1 blowout, started shortly after Jason LaRue made it a 12-0 game with a two-run homer in the sixth. Carlos Silva began throwing inside on Adam Dunn to ignite the scrum. A warning was issued on a inside toss at Dunn's waist, but Silva threw behind the batter on the very next pitch. Dunn started slowly towards the mound at first, but then made a break for Silva. However, catcher Mike Lieberthal tackled Dunn by the ankles and the big outfielder fell to the ground. Silva took swings (cheap shots) at the fallen Dunn as both benches emptied and a brawl ensued.

    (2) Traded to Minnesota from Philadelphia in part for Eric Milton. Helped start the ball rolling for Milton to end up in a Cincinnati uniform for 3 years and $27 million.

    Hard to forgive (1). Not really his fault or doing on (2), but (1) makes it easier to find fault for the guy on (2).
    Little more to the story though. Dunn had ran over Lieberthal earlier in the game when it was a blowout. Nobody on the Phillies liked that much. They must have forgotten how bad our pitching staff was.
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    What about taking a risk on Kerry Wood? He's due to be a free agent.

    Obviously, he could be a mess (both injury wise and his productivity)...but if you could sign him cheaply and try him out as a starter and if doesn't work out, move him to the pen, why not? Maybe a change of scenery would do him good. He has the stuff to be effective. It would be one of those low risk potential high reward signings (assuming he could be signed cheaply).


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