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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    I suspect the Reds rotation will be Harang,Arroyo,Belisle,Bailey and missing pitcher X. Most likely a lefty.

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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Hell no to Carlos Silva. Save that money and sign Francisco Cordero instead. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing them sign Matt Clement to a one-year deal and see if he has anything left. Also, I like the idea of trading for Daniel Cabrera if he could be had cheaply. I believe it was M2 who said the other day that Cabrera could make for a great reliever, and I agree with that. I would love to see the Reds take a chance on him. Ervin Santana is another guy I would target.
    I've been hoping for Cabrera as well. The Orioles have been talking about moving Tejada to 3B and Mora to the OF. Maybe they would take Gonzalez to play SS and a middling prospect/suspect or two along the lines of Lecure, Guevara or even Majewski.
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    What about taking a risk on Kerry Wood? He's due to be a free agent.

    Obviously, he could be a mess (both injury wise and his productivity)...but if you could sign him cheaply and try him out as a starter and if doesn't work out, move him to the pen, why not? Maybe a change of scenery would do him good. He has the stuff to be effective. It would be one of those low risk potential high reward signings (assuming he could be signed cheaply).
    If the Reds sign him.. I'd keep him in the pen. I don't think his arm is strong enough for what the Reds are looking for in a starter(190+ innings). It would be better suited for both Wood and the Reds.. because if he starts and gets hurt.. that just leaves us where we are now..
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I've been hoping for Cabrera as well. The Orioles have been talking about moving Tejada to 3B and Mora to the OF. Maybe they would take Gonzalez to play SS and a middling prospect/suspect or two along the lines of Lecure, Guevara or even Majewski.
    I like Cabrera as well and he is still young and pitched 200+ innings this season. Cabrera would probably be our #3 starter but might serve as a better #4.

    I also like the Gonzalez offer and would make sense for Baltimore if in fact Tajada moved to 3rd or was traded and Mora moved to the OF if they couldn't resign Paterson.

    Gonzalez, Pelland, and Ramirez to the Orioles

    Cabrera to the Reds

    Cabrera would be a cheaper fill for a much needed void. And perhaps give the Reds the ability to bring in another starter as well as an above average reliever.
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    I like Cabrera as well and he is still young and pitched 200+ innings this season. Cabrera would probably be our #3 starter but might serve as a better #4.

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    I'm not sure I understand.

    Why would it make a difference if he was our #3 or #4 starter?

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    Does anyone know how reliable the Rotoworld projections actually are? It seems to me any one of us could have come up with something similar as a starting point. And I'm not sure how they come to their conclusions--for instance what do they have happening to Matt Belisle? And why would the Reds retrade for Justin Germano who struggled late in the season in a pitcher's park?

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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    Does anyone know how reliable the Rotoworld projections actually are? It seems to me any one of us could have come up with something similar as a starting point. And I'm not sure how they come to their conclusions--for instance what do they have happening to Matt Belisle? And why would the Reds retrade for Justin Germano who struggled late in the season in a pitcher's park?
    They aren't very reliable, and anyone of us could have said lots more just as stupid.

    Germano woll not be a Red in 2008.

    They basically guess to make good reading. Nothing is based on any real concrete evidence.

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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Cabrera would probably be our #3 starter but might serve as a better #4.
    I have mixed feelings on Cabrera. I'm not sure I trust a pitcher in GABP who pitches so consistently behind in the count. He had difficulty in Camden Yards giving up 18 of his twenty-five homers there. He puts himself in the hole way too often, and constantly pitching 3-0 and 3-1 is a formula for failure in a hitters' park.

    I believe he would become a major whipping boy around here.
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    I'm not sure I understand.

    Why would it make a difference if he was our #3 or #4 starter?
    I just feel (IMO) that Cabrera would be better suited on this team matched up with the oppositions #4 starter. I think if we can sign a Free Agent for our #3 and use Bailey as our #5. Belisle moving to the 'pen. That Free Agent being either: Freddy Garcia, Livan Hernandez, Bartolo Colon, or even Kenny Rogers.. all of which who have winning records, played in the playoffs, and all but one (Colon) has pitched and won a game in the World Series. I'm sure Colon and Garcia would be the cheaper of the bunch and Livan would probably be the most expensive.

    It's not that I don't think Cabrera can get the job done as a #3 starter.. it's much like some were saying Arroyo is our best #3 starter.. it's just an opinion.
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    I have mixed feelings on Cabrera. I'm not sure I trust a pitcher in GABP who pitches so consistently behind in the count. He had difficulty in Camden Yards giving up 18 of his twenty-five homers there. He puts himself in the hole way too often, and constantly pitching 3-0 and 3-1 is a formula for failure in a hitters' park.

    I believe he would become a major whipping boy around here.
    You could be right and that is why I wouldn't go nuts to acquire him. But he does throw hard and may have a future in the pen if he can't step forward in the rotation. He looks better than anything on the free agent market (though I'd take a flyer on Jon Leiber for a short and reasonable deal).

    I kind of like getting pitchers from other hitters parks. At least we have a better idea how they would handle GABP and wouldn't be overpaying for park created mirages.
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    I'd probably go with Silva at 8 million.. heck Meche got 11 million a year and Silva IMO is better then Meche on top of that he is a year younger.

    I can't see the Reds dealing for Germano after a season plus that he was dealt. And I think Kepp is good for this team.. I hate to say it but I agree with you high and try to deal Gonzalez.. unfortunately I think A-Gon's mind was else where this season and caused him to have so many errors.
    What makes Silva better than Meche???

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    You could be right and that is why I wouldn't go nuts to acquire him. But he does throw hard and may have a future in the pen if he can't step forward in the rotation. He looks better than anything on the free agent market (though I'd take a flyer on Jon Leiber for a short and reasonable deal).
    I agree. He might have the most promise and at the lowest cost of anyone available.

    I kind of like getting pitchers from other hitters parks. At least we have a better idea how they would handle GABP and wouldn't be overpaying for park created mirages.
    He was pretty bad in his home park. He had a 6.42 ERA and gave up 18 homers. And that was with Leo Mazzone working with him. Of course, he was facing Boston, New York, and those tough AL line-ups.
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by 11BarryLarkin11 View Post
    What makes Silva better than Meche???
    Silva: 55W - 46L (.545 winning %) 4.31 ERA More Stats

    Meche: 64W - 57L (.529 Winning %) 4.44 ERA More Stats
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    Re: Rotoworld Projects the Reds 2008 Roster

    I doubt the Reds would be interested in Silva, he is a righty. Now, how about soon to be overpaid lefties, something the Reds have a history of doing


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