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    Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Castellini says the payroll will increase and wants to win now. Where does the payroll sit as of now?

    Who's off the books?
    Milton's $9mil
    Hatty $1.8 - even though I like the idea of picking up a very cheap option and then trading him.
    Guardado $?
    LaRue $? - Didn't the Reds pay some of his salary for this year.

    Anyone I'm forgetting?

    And since everone is throwing out there wish list I thought I would throw out one of mine.
    Matt Clement
    I hear he is progressing well. He's throwing in the low 90's and word is getting out. The Reds won't get into a bidding war but maybe Dusty can help get him in here. More than likely it would be a 1 year contract for $6mil. I would much rather have him than Silva.

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    I don't think I would rather have him than Silva, because Silva is a young pitcher. I would have no problem taking a chance on both though. Clement could be a diamond in the rough. The only thing I would do is make sure it is incentive laiden, and have there be a team option if he turns out to be the old Clement.
    If you can't build a winning team with that core a fire-sale isn't the solution. Selling the franchise, moving them to Nashville and converting GABP into a used car lot is.
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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    I am all for getting Silva as well....I don't know who else is on the market that we can afford, so we might need to get pitching through a trade

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Cormier is off the books too I believe

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Sarloos off the books?

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Quote Originally Posted by stevekun View Post
    Sarloos off the books?
    Yes he is Ellison and Bellhorn are off the books also.

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Kearns and Lopez are off the books too.
    Who's on first?

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Just wondering, but when we try to outright somebody and they refuse the assignment, does that terminate their contract, or do we have to keep paying them?
    If you can't build a winning team with that core a fire-sale isn't the solution. Selling the franchise, moving them to Nashville and converting GABP into a used car lot is.
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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    A player can refuse to be outrighted until the age of 65 and then they collect social security.
    Who's on first?

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    No to Carlos Silva, please.

    He will be Eric Milton-esque in this ballpark. Wouldn't mind taking a chance on Matt Clement, though.
    R.I.P Farney 12/22/2012

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Around this time of year I enjoy looking into next years Roster even though it ends up changing a whole lot but here is what I’ve come up with. All of this could change with trades so keep that in mind.

    Here is a list of players who I believe are on the team no matter what. If there is not a dollar amount or Arb (arbitration eligible) then that means they are under complete control of the Reds and their contract should be relatively cheap.

    On the Team:
    Harang- 6.75
    Arroyo- 3.9
    Bailey-
    Weathers- 2.75
    Stanton- 3.0
    Burton-
    Ross-2.525
    Gonzalez- 4.652
    Encarnacion-
    Phillips- Arb
    Griffey Jr- 12.5
    Dunn- 13.0 (option will be picked up)
    Hamilton-
    Hopper-
    Freel- 3.0
    Keppinger-
    Cantu- Arb
    Votto-

    That is around $55-60 Million depending on how much Phillips and Cantu ends up making. That is 18 of the 25 players. I understand Stanton or maybe Bailey won’t be there on opening day but lets debate that in another thread. With all those positions filled the needs are: 2-SP, 4-RP, and 1-C. These needs may be filled by these players who I call the front runners for the open positions plus a couple others that have a shot to make the roster somewhere.

    Front Runners:
    Belisle- Arb
    Bray-
    Coffey-.925
    Coutlangus-
    Majewski- Arb
    Salmon-
    Castro- .975
    Guardado- 3.0 (Team Option)
    Valentin- 1.3 (Team Option)
    Hatteberg- 1.85 (Team Option)

    Now here are a few players who have an outside chance to make the club with an outstanding spring or injuries to other players. I will also add that none of these players will probably make below league minimum so I won’t include their salary because it for the most part will have a minimal effect on the total payroll. But don’t look for any of these players to show up right out of spring training.

    Outside Chance:
    McBeth, Shearn, Gosling, Pelland, Hannigan, Cueto, Maloney, Lopez, Gil, Bruce, Janish, Coats, and Dickerson.

    Summary:
    The Reds have roughly $55-60 million already accounted for between 18 (6 Pitchers; 12 Position) players. They will have to fill 2 Starting Pitching spots, 3-4 Relief Pitching spots, 1 Catcher and maybe another Bench spot depending on how many pitchers they carry. Some of these spots will be filled with players already in the organization (Front Runners) but not 100% locks on the team right now.

    With all that said I believe only one thing is certain for the 2008 Reds team… a lot of aren’t happy with Dusty Baker as manager.

    PS: these are the kind of things I spend my spare time on during the offseason…man I can’t wait for April.

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Nice job sh8k.

    How good does that deal for Harang look now? Can you imagine him on the open market this offseason.

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Soup View Post
    Nice job sh8k.

    How good does that deal for Harang look now? Can you imagine him on the open market this offseason.
    Signing Harang to an extension was the best move yet of this regime. Hopefully they will take the next step and do the same with Phillips.
    If you can't build a winning team with that core a fire-sale isn't the solution. Selling the franchise, moving them to Nashville and converting GABP into a used car lot is.
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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    $55-$60 million, huh?

    More proof that trading Griffey for youth and bringing up Bruce will give us some really good payroll flexibility for some acquisitions.
    Who's on first?

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    Re: Payroll 2008 (who's off the books?)

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    $55-$60 million, huh?

    More proof that trading Griffey for youth and bringing up Bruce will give us some really good payroll flexibility for some acquisitions.
    Yeah. I would love the flexibility with about 45 million dollars taken up. Then we could get a great player, that could be a cornerstone for this club's future.
    If you can't build a winning team with that core a fire-sale isn't the solution. Selling the franchise, moving them to Nashville and converting GABP into a used car lot is.
    -LTlabner


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