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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    Dusty Baker is too much of grandstander and excuse maker for my taste, not to mention his tendency to manage like he's in Dodger Stadium in the 70's. The only thing that he sells that others don't is his ability to handle larger then life characters, well in a year (or less) the Reds won't need to worry about that.

    They'll always have to worry about arms in that park, thus just walk away from the long shot who has no chance of saving those same arms.

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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    I'd be more concerned for Bailey and Cueto than Harang. Arroyo has also shown a propensity to wear down with overuse.

    But I think this is just idle speculation, anyway.
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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    This is from another article about Baker from the Chicago Tribune last weekend:

    http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....cubs-headlines

    Baker and his family recently left their longtime suburban San Francisco home and moved into a home they built northeast of Sacramento. Now 58, he hasn't ruled out a return to baseball, but he's enjoying his ESPN duties and will work as a "Baseball Tonight" studio panelist during the league championship series and the World Series.

    "Life is good," Baker said. "I'm doing fine."
    Hopefully Baker stays happy and stays where he is at ESPN.

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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    Out of curiousity, what do folks think of his record in San Francisco with their pitching staff? He seems to have had some success and I understand that could just be the difference in the park (Candlestick was fairly 'pitcher friendly', no?). Is it possible that he just happened to have some of the most fragile arms ever in Prior and Wood?
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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    One thing we know, he wouldn't be cheap. And if they're willing to consider paying his going rate, maybe it's not just lip service that they're considering big name managers.
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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    But how many 'big name' managers are actually good managers?

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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    Out of curiousity, what do folks think of his record in San Francisco with their pitching staff? He seems to have had some success and I understand that could just be the difference in the park (Candlestick was fairly 'pitcher friendly', no?). Is it possible that he just happened to have some of the most fragile arms ever in Prior and Wood?
    My opinion of Dusty is based solely on SF, he inherited some good hurlers from Craig and company and had a strong BP. They went out and got him Schmidt... who might be experiencing some of the Karma in volve din pitching for Dusty as we type.

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    SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
    CAREER
    AN FRANCISCO GIANTS
    CAREER
    1993-2002
    
    INNINGS PITCHED displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    
    ERA                             ERA      IP     
    1    Robb Nen                   2.43    378.1   
    2    Mike Jackson               2.48    119.2   
    3    Tim Worrell                2.87    150.1   
    4    Felix Rodriguez            3.00    297.1   
    5    Bill Swift                 3.00    342     
    6    Rod Beck                   3.19    318.2   
    7    Jason Schmidt              3.43    251.2   
    8    Chad Zerbe                 3.46    101.1   
    9    John Burkett               3.64    391     
    10   John Johnstone             3.68    222.1   
    11   Trevor Wilson              3.74    192.2   
    12   Bud Black                  3.89    148     
    13   Mark Dewey                 3.91    115     
    14   Rich Rodriguez             3.98    187.2   
    15   Russ Ortiz                 4.01    924.2   
    16   Mark Portugal              4.03    241.1   
    17   Kirk Rueter                4.08   1169.1   
    18   Shawn Estes                4.25    990     
    19   Jeff Brantley              4.28    113.2   
    20   Julian Tavarez             4.34    228.1   
    21   Mark Leiter                4.38    331     
    22   Orel Hershiser             4.41    202     
    23   Livan Hernandez            4.44    746.1   
    24   Dave Burba                 4.44    212.2   
    25   Ryan Jensen                4.46    214     
    26   William Van Landingham     4.54    477.1   
    27   Allen Watson               4.61    185.2   
    28   Joe Nathan                 4.61    187.1   
    29   Aaron Fultz                4.66    181.2   
    30   Osvaldo Fernandez          4.70    228

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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?



    Courtesy of firedustybaker.com

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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    Perhaps RZ should fire up the "emails to the front office" campagin in a preemptive protest against Baker? Why wait till he is hired to go sub-critical tatical nuke?

    Some well thought out, and well written emails/letters/phone calls might perk up some ears at the Reds FO if they are serriously considering Baker.
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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    The importance of pitch limits has become more evident over time. I figure Baker would get it by now.

    Big name, good track record. Folks clamoring for that kind of thing should like the choice, I figure.

    I'd be on the fence. I like him as a guy who commands respect, but I don't know that he'd handle the young guys well, and the Reds are going to be relying on youth a lot over the next few years.
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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    My opinion of Dusty is based solely on SF, he inherited some good hurlers from Craig and company and had a strong BP. They went out and got him Schmidt... who might be experiencing some of the Karma in volve din pitching for Dusty as we type.

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    SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
    CAREER
    AN FRANCISCO GIANTS
    CAREER
    1993-2002
    
    INNINGS PITCHED displayed only--not a sorting criteria
    
    ERA                             ERA      IP     
    1    Robb Nen                   2.43    378.1   
    2    Mike Jackson               2.48    119.2   
    3    Tim Worrell                2.87    150.1   
    4    Felix Rodriguez            3.00    297.1   
    5    Bill Swift                 3.00    342     
    6    Rod Beck                   3.19    318.2   
    7    Jason Schmidt              3.43    251.2   
    8    Chad Zerbe                 3.46    101.1   
    9    John Burkett               3.64    391     
    10   John Johnstone             3.68    222.1   
    11   Trevor Wilson              3.74    192.2   
    12   Bud Black                  3.89    148     
    13   Mark Dewey                 3.91    115     
    14   Rich Rodriguez             3.98    187.2   
    15   Russ Ortiz                 4.01    924.2   
    16   Mark Portugal              4.03    241.1   
    17   Kirk Rueter                4.08   1169.1   
    18   Shawn Estes                4.25    990     
    19   Jeff Brantley              4.28    113.2   
    20   Julian Tavarez             4.34    228.1   
    21   Mark Leiter                4.38    331     
    22   Orel Hershiser             4.41    202     
    23   Livan Hernandez            4.44    746.1   
    24   Dave Burba                 4.44    212.2   
    25   Ryan Jensen                4.46    214     
    26   William Van Landingham     4.54    477.1   
    27   Allen Watson               4.61    185.2   
    28   Joe Nathan                 4.61    187.1   
    29   Aaron Fultz                4.66    181.2   
    30   Osvaldo Fernandez          4.70    228
    It must be late in the day and I'm being thick, but I'm not sure I'm understanding the point of the chart - many of the ERA's seem reasonable and only Krueter pitched a ton (I'm guessing he was there the entire tenure).
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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    Well, it's pretty relief pitcher heavy with most of the other guys fitting the same pattern, soft stuff and fly balls.. which is great in the Bay Area, especially at Candlestick. But I think his leaning on the BP was his saving grace in SF, and most of the starters were products of the Craig regime, hence why so many burned out to (forkball)

    However Dusty and the Giants had their best years in ERA In Pac Bell and with the Craig leftovers.

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    1993-2002
    
    
    ERA                           YEAR     DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE   
    1    Giants                   2002     0.56     3.55     4.11   
    2    Giants                   2000     0.42     4.21     4.64   
    3    Giants                   1993     0.42     3.63     4.05   
    4    Giants                   1994     0.23     3.99     4.22   
    5    Giants                   2001     0.17     4.19     4.36   
    6    Giants                   1998     0.05     4.19     4.24   
    7    Giants                   1999     -.14     4.71     4.57   
    8    Giants                   1997     -.22     4.43     4.21   
    9    Giants                   1996     -.50     4.72     4.22   
    10   Giants                   1995     -.68     4.86     4.18

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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    I'd rather have Bob Boone back
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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    I like that Dusty gets his players to hate the rest of MLB. That wouldn't be such a bad thing to have around. Still, why waste money on such an insignificant piece of the puzzle.

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    Re: Managerial search update(s) Could it be Dusty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    However, if there really wasn't interest in Dusty, why would you bring in a guy of his name calibre as your minority candidate?
    Maybe he applied for the job? With his experience and slightly over .500 record, it would be tough to justify not interviewing him when Bud's office called the Reds to ask "Why didn't you...?"

    Obviously, a lot of people are fearing the fire from the smoke that John Fay saw. I'm content to believe it was just the smoke from Dusty's cigar. The smoke cleared when he stubbed it out in the CVG airport ashtray and flew back home.
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