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    Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

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    Yanks To Pursue Rowand?

    A source of mine with Yankee connections had some good info for me today. Much was discussed yesterday in Tampa.

    For starters, the Yanks are expected to make "eye-popping" offers to retain Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera before the World Series ends. The team does not want the pair to file for free agency.

    Additionally, the Yankees may make a big play for Aaron Rowand. They believe a package of Melky Cabrera, Chien-Ming Wang, and Ian Kennedy would entice the Twins for Johan Santana. That's a huge price, but doesn't seem out of line to me for the best pitcher in baseball.


    WOW noway the Reds could match that offer for Santana.. I still belive Dontrelle Willis is going to be a Red.. just a gut feeling inside!!

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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    He is worth more to the Yanks than anyone else because they would resign him. For the Reds Santana would be a 1 year rental.
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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan4445 View Post
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    Yanks To Pursue Rowand?

    A source of mine with Yankee connections had some good info for me today. Much was discussed yesterday in Tampa.

    For starters, the Yanks are expected to make "eye-popping" offers to retain Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera before the World Series ends. The team does not want the pair to file for free agency.

    Additionally, the Yankees may make a big play for Aaron Rowand. They believe a package of Melky Cabrera, Chien-Ming Wang, and Ian Kennedy would entice the Twins for Johan Santana. That's a huge price, but doesn't seem out of line to me for the best pitcher in baseball.


    WOW noway the Reds could match that offer for Santana.. I still belive Dontrelle Willis is going to be a Red.. just a gut feeling inside!!
    If reports are true about the Reds having some interest in Torii Hunter then I would rather them go after Rowand. Might be a few million cheaper to boot. But I doubt the Reds hunt for outfield help with the surplus of Junior, Dunn, Hamilton, Bruce, Hopper, and Freel. Unless one of either Junior or Hamilton are dealt or Dunn gets moved to first and Votto is shopped.

    But about that offer for Santana.. WOW!!! If i'm the Twins and I might be losing Hunter.. Cabrera would fill in nicely with Mauer and Morneau. Plus it gives the Twins a top of the rotation guy in Wang and a back of the rotation guy in Kennedy. A rotation of Wang, Liriano, Slowery, Baker, and Kennedy might have them contenders again.
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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan4445 View Post
    I still belive Dontrelle Willis is going to be a Red.. just a gut feeling inside!!
    You say that like its some incredibly good thing. He was basically Matt Belisle, but in a very large ballpark last year....

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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Anybody else think Rowand will come crashing back to earth next year?
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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Well, he's not likely to sustain his .348 BABIP. He has gotten a touch more patient, but I think we'll see something closer to his .285/.340/.460 career averages. All told, an .800 OPS and average to plus defense is still very valuable. But we very likely just saw his career year. He's basically Gary Matthews Jr v2.
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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan4445 View Post
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    Yanks To Pursue Rowand?

    A source of mine with Yankee connections had some good info for me today. Much was discussed yesterday in Tampa.

    For starters, the Yanks are expected to make "eye-popping" offers to retain Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera before the World Series ends. The team does not want the pair to file for free agency.

    Additionally, the Yankees may make a big play for Aaron Rowand. They believe a package of Melky Cabrera, Chien-Ming Wang, and Ian Kennedy would entice the Twins for Johan Santana. That's a huge price, but doesn't seem out of line to me for the best pitcher in baseball.


    WOW noway the Reds could match that offer for Santana.. I still belive Dontrelle Willis is going to be a Red.. just a gut feeling inside!!
    I hope Wayne would offer the Reds' #2 through #5 starters (even if they are TBD) for that package. Throw in Hopper and it's a deal.
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    I'm simply surprised and shocked that the Yanks are going after these guys!
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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnati chili View Post
    Anybody else think Rowand will come crashing back to earth next year?
    I definitely think Aaron Rowand will turn back into the Aaron Rowand pumpkin pre-2007.

    Aaron Rowand has been a roller coaster, statistically through his career. 2007 and 2004 highly skew his career OPS of .805 with years of .889 and .905 respectively. His other years have rather pedestrian with numbers of .816, .692, .779, .736, and .746 in 1649 PA combined. Rowand's never been an OBP guy, relying heavily on SLG to pad his OPS. In those career years of 2004 and 2007, Rowand OBP'd .361 and .374 respectively, each of which were above his career OBP of .343. He brings a career SLG of .462 to the table, and has only been North of .500 twice. Which years? you guessed it, 2004 and 2007. He put up a SLG of .544 and .515 respectively in those years.

    Bottomline, I think Rowand will regress closer to an OPS of .800 going forward, especially if he doesn't remain in the stats friendly Citizens Bank Ballpark. He's basically a SLG version of Ryan Freel, with obviously lower OBP, but playing with the same reckless abandonment as Freel. Eventually, I think his playing style will lead to lingering injuries that will impact him defensively and offensively.

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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    There is no way the Yankees are trading Cabrera, Wang, and Kennedy for Johan Santana alone. Brian Cashman isn't that dumb. Wang is one of the better pitchers in baseball. I can't see him being traded, at all.
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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jpup View Post
    There is no way the Yankees are trading Cabrera, Wang, and Kennedy for Johan Santana alone. Brian Cashman isn't that dumb. Wang is one of the better pitchers in baseball. I can't see him being traded, at all.
    Wang is probably the most overrated pitcerin baseball.

    As someone pointedout, he is basically Matt Belisle in a bigger ballpark.

    Cabrera may not hit much, I'd suggesthe is overhyped.

    Kennedy looks pretty good, but his upside is a bit limited, so it would be a good time to cash in on that value.

    It looks like a pretty good trade from the Yankees perspective, and not bad from the Twinkees view. THough I would want Hughes over Kennedy.

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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    I think Wang would be a bad fit for the Twins as long as they're still playing on turf. Still, he has plenty of value, so they could always flip him for more.
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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Wang is probably the most overrated pitcerin baseball.

    As someone pointedout, he is basically Matt Belisle in a bigger ballpark.
    C'mon. Are you just making this stuff up? Just because he got beat around in the playoffs doesn't mean he's Matt Belisle.


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    Wang 19-7 199.1 IP 1.29 WHIP 3.70 ERA
    Belisle 8-9 177.2 IP 1.44 WHIP 5.32 ERA

    Wang also pitches in a much tougher division. Matt Belisle is not in Wang's league. As much as I don't think wins for a pitcher is a great way to judge them, when you win 19 games for 2 straight years, you are doing something very right.
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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Puffy, the Belisle reference was initially comparing Dontrell's awful season to Belisle, not Wang.

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    Re: Yankees going after Santana and Rowand?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvesIce51 View Post
    Puffy, the Belisle reference was initially comparing Dontrell's awful season to Belisle, not Wang.
    I got confused, and yes, Wang is quite a bit better than Belisle. But I still consider him quite overrated, as he's basically a 4 DIPS ERA guy. He'd likely be about a 4.50 guy in Cincy with the added HR's .His K rate is disappearing these days.


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