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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    The jackets don't need an enforcer, they have big guys who score, they are more gri then skill across the board, they need skill players if they want to compete, not fighters.

    When the "Face" of your franchise is not a skill player then I'd say your team needs to go into reconstructive surgery.

    I would argue your comment about every team not needing an enforcer. I think each team does, they just do not need to be dressed every game and they need to be able to skate and pass. Kinda of like the way Ottawa uses McGratton and how Colorado uses Parker.

    You have to play the matchups. If I am playing Anaheim, I dress an enforcer for that game. They have too many guys (Moen, Parros, O'Donnell, Pronger) who play with a tough edge and you have to combat that somehow. Same with Nashville and to some extent St. Louis.

    All of the high skill players have enforcers on their team. Corsby has big Georges, Ovechkin has Brashear. Nash & Zherdev deserve somebody to watch their back. As much as I love Shelley, he fought well, but was a liability when he was out there.
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    I would argue your comment about every team not needing an enforcer.
    I prefer enforcers who can skate and such, like Aaron Downey on the Wings.

    Guys like Scott Parker are a waste of bench, he can't do squat but fight.

    I remember the era when there were plenty of goons skating around, their need is there.. but I wouldn't waste my breath worrying about them, they are replaceable.

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    I'm not sure the face of the team was a guy who watched from the press box 60% of the time.
    Jody was on the original Blue Jackets roster, and was THE most popular player on the team. No offense to Nash or Zherdev, but as what was said on the post-game show last night, "If you asked who was the leading points scorer on the Jackets, most kids would say, Shelley, that is if they didn't know it was Nash."

    He was a great guy, and will be sorely missed by a lot of Jacket fans, even though the trade made sense, I still hate seeing a guy leave like that.

    Its like when the Reds traded Casey, they didn't "need" him, but you still wanted to see him in a Reds uniform.
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    The enforcer who does nothing else but fight is a waste of a roster spot and completely boring IMHO. I just shake my head each time the Sabres dress Andrew Peters....
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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    I prefer enforcers who can skate and such, like Aaron Downey on the Wings.

    Guys like Scott Parker are a waste of bench, he can't do squat but fight.

    I remember the era when there were plenty of goons skating around, their need is there.. but I wouldn't waste my breath worrying about them, they are replaceable.
    I'm with you. What I like are enforcers who don't need to fight, even though they can, but are skilled enough to play great hockey. Call me a homer, but Ulf Samuelsson was one of those guys. In fact, to me, he's the personification of that guy. He was just plain nasty. And he could play the game.
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    The enforcer who does nothing else but fight is a waste of a roster spot and completely boring IMHO. I just shake my head each time the Sabres dress Andrew Peters....

    I'm sure the skill players don't shake their heads in Buffalo. Was it Drury that got hit last year by Chris Neil and then things erupted and Peters ended up fighting 3 players (including the goalie Emery?)


    Enforcers are a necessary evil in hockey. Hockey is the most violent team sport and enforcers police the game in many other ways than touching the ice. If you accept them for what they are worth and know they are not going to chip in much offensively, you can see their value.

    Fans might not always like enforcers, but their teammates appreciate them and respect their contributions.
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    Fans might not always like enforcers, but their teammates appreciate them and respect their contributions.
    They also appreciate guys who can skate, score and play defense.

    Aspects of the game that are way more important in todays quick whistle game, the days of clutching and grabbing are gone, skill is needed to ride on the NHL bench, skill means goals... something the BJ's have a hard time doing most of the time, wouldn't it be nice to beat Nashville once ... every now and then?

    Score some goals' BJ's and then maybe you can worry about carrying a fist with skates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    They also appreciate guys who can skate, score and play defense.

    Aspects of the game that are way more important in todays quick whistle game, the days of clutching and grabbing are gone, skill is needed to ride on the NHL bench, skill means goals... something the BJ's have a hard time doing most of the time, wouldn't it be nice to beat Nashville once ... every now and then?

    Score some goals' BJ's and then maybe you can worry about carrying a fist with skates.
    The quick whsitle was evident only in the year follow the lockout.

    Your're right, more goals would be nice for the CBJ. That's why they couldn't afford to let Shelley have that roster spot. A team like San Jose (and probably 85% of the others) can afford that spot. But let's not ignore the importance of an enforcer.

    Read "The Code: The Unwritten Rules Of Fighting And Retaliation In The NHL" by Ross Bernstein. It details why the enforcer is a specialist that most teams need. It's a specialist role, similar to a LOOGY.
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    The quick whsitle was evident only in the year follow the lockout.

    Your're right, more goals would be nice for the CBJ. That's why they couldn't afford to let Shelley have that roster spot. A team like San Jose (and probably 85% of the others) can afford that spot. But let's not ignore the importance of an enforcer.

    Read "The Code: The Unwritten Rules Of Fighting And Retaliation In The NHL" by Ross Bernstein. It details why the enforcer is a specialist that most teams need. It's a specialist role, similar to a LOOGY.
    I've been watching hockey for 38 years, I've got a firm handle on the need for an enforcer, and I'll take a guy like Tie Domi any day of the week, but guys like Scott Parker are nothing but a waste of roster space. Especially with today's rules and two refs.

    This thread did get me jazzed enough to watch the classic Red Wings - Aves fight this morning, Darren McCarty kicked Lemieuxs butt... good times, good times.

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    I'd have to agree with WOY. Watching the Hawks trot out David Koci this season has been an embarassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    I've been watching hockey for 38 years, I've got a firm handle on the need for an enforcer, and I'll take a guy like Tie Domi any day of the week, but guys like Scott Parker are nothing but a waste of roster space. Especially with today's rules and two refs.

    This thread did get me jazzed enough to watch the classic Red Wings - Aves fight this morning, Darren McCarty kicked Lemieuxs butt... good times, good times.

    Is that the one where Lemieux tutles? Funny stuff...

    I'll take Domi too, and Larauq...guys who can put up 20 points a year an addition to the value as an enforcer. Truth is, there are more Parker's than Domi's employed. I'm guessing that the teams who employ them know they are a one-demisional waste of space, yet they still get jobs. That should indicate their importance and role in the sport.
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    I'd have to agree with WOY. Watching the Hawks trot out David Koci this season has been an embarassment.
    Were you embarassed when Koci made Zach Stortini look like a little girl this year?

    Moot point anyway, Koci is back in the AHL anyway. Chicago has enough guys behind him to fight (LaPointe, Eager, Burish). Eager fights just as much and can skate better.
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    Were you embarassed when Koci made Zach Stortini look like a little girl this year?
    I'll put that in the whoopity-doo pile. He ends up with a bloody face more often than he actually wins a fight. Plus I question whether he has any more actual hockey talent than me (and I suck). If you are going to be a slug, you may as well as least be able to win your fair share of fights.

    Moot point anyway, Koci is back in the AHL anyway. Chicago has enough guys behind him to fight (LaPointe, Eager, Burish). Eager fights just as much and can skate better.
    That's the whole point. In Eager, the Hawks actually get a fighter that can actually play some hockey. No qualms about guys like that. Good riddance to Koci. I'm much happier with Eager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns View Post
    I'll put that in the whoopity-doo pile. He ends up with a bloody face more often than he actually wins a fight. Plus I question whether he has any more actual hockey talent than me (and I suck). If you are going to be a slug, you may as well as least be able to win your fair share of fights.



    That's the whole point. In Eager, the Hawks actually get a fighter that can actually play some hockey. No qualms about guys like that. Good riddance to Koci. I'm much happier with Eager.
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    I'm sure the skill players don't shake their heads in Buffalo. Was it Drury that got hit last year by Chris Neil and then things erupted and Peters ended up fighting 3 players (including the goalie Emery?)


    Enforcers are a necessary evil in hockey. Hockey is the most violent team sport and enforcers police the game in many other ways than touching the ice. If you accept them for what they are worth and know they are not going to chip in much offensively, you can see their value.

    Fans might not always like enforcers, but their teammates appreciate them and respect their contributions.
    I have no problem with a guy who can throw if he contributes something else to the game. I'll take a Domi or or Laraque or Ulf Samulson in his prime any time. Guys like Peters, Bolton, Parker, etc are a waste.

    The hit on Drury may have upset the team but it was legal IMHO and team responded just fine with who was on the ice. Peters was an absolute and complete embarrassment that night (fighting a goaltender). Though Lindy Ruff should share the blame for ending out a goon who cant skate, shoot, play defense, stick handle or even fight.

    Having guys like that in the league is not only a waste of roster space but it also keeps the NHL in garage league status even longer.
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