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    Re: Are the Reds interested in Carlos Silva?

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I'd rather we go after Jason Jennings for much cheaper...
    and much brokener...

    Give me a guy with a 4.31 career ERA playing 50% of his games in Hanky Stadium, and facing 9 batters every night. I'll be okay with it even if he gives up the occasional uncatchable fly ball. He didn't get a CAREER era of that by giving up many HR's with runners on base me-thinks...

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    Carlos Silva

    I'm going to let out a huge laugh at whatever team signs this guy for like 4 or 5 years at $10 million per.

    The Reds went down that road with Milton. So it will be funny to watch some other team do it. I hope it's a team in our division. :
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    Re: Carlos Silva

    These words will come back to haunt

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    Re: Carlos Silva

    Why would WK waste the Money?

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    Re: Carlos Silva

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    I'm going to let out a huge laugh at whatever team signs this guy for like 4 or 5 years at $10 million per.

    The Reds went down that road with Milton. So it will be funny to watch some other team do it. I hope it's a team in our division. :
    couldn't agree more... your paying for the demand that the market dictates, not his actual ability... we might be able to get Derek Lowe for close to the same price next offseason, and he is a much better version of Carlos Silva...
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    Re: Carlos Silva

    Carlos Silva would be a disaster.
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    Re: Carlos Silva

    I guess I am the only one who would kinda like Silva here...why does everyone hate this guy?

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    Re: Carlos Silva

    Quote Originally Posted by stevekun View Post
    I guess I am the only one who would kinda like Silva here...why does everyone hate this guy?
    I dont know.. Hes a groundball pitcher and thats what we need.. It was this time last year when this site (which i was not a member of at the time) scolded the cubs signing of Ted Lilly and that worked out nicely for them.. Silva has been a decent pitcher in the a.l. and that would probably mean he would be a good ptcher in the nl.
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    Re: Twins offer Silva a 3-year deal. Can the Reds offer a 4-year deal at that amount?

    He does have a low strikeout rate, and a tendency to give up home runs. This is slightly balanced by his very low BB/9 rate, and the fact that he does get a lot of ground balls. We might need to sign someone like Silva if we do end up trading Bailey or Cueto (or both) for the likes of Bedard, but right now he will be getting more money than he is worth because he is the best(except for maybe Kuroda) starting pitcher free agent in a weak year.

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    Re: Twins offer Silva a 3-year deal. Can the Reds offer a 4-year deal at that amount?

    Does anyone else feel really uncomfortable with giving Silva any Money whatsoever? Let other teams overpay for this guy. The Reds could use that Money to sign Bedard and Santana to LTC if they can Trade for them. Silva will be Milton allover again...

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    Re: Twins offer Silva a 3-year deal. Can the Reds offer a 4-year deal at that amount?

    Heck, sign Lieber for $4 million per year. He's about the same as Silva.
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    Re: Twins offer Silva a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by rotnoid View Post
    nobody would. He's going to get much more than that. He's at least as good as some of the guys that got ridiculous deals last year (Meche and Suppan for example) and he's younger. At 26, he's probably going to get 4/42 at least. It doesn't help that there aren't many young top tier pitchers available this year.
    As good as Suppan? Maybe better. Better than Meche? No. Meche knows how to miss bats, Silva doesn't. And I have my doubts that Silva is any kind of groundball specialist. Check out his 2006 season, 38 homers allowed. He's very hittable and history shows that those type pitchers don't do well for the Reds. Silva is also 28, not 26. If I'm the Reds I wouldn't even take phone calls from his agent.

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    Re: Twins offer Silva a 3-year deal

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    I don't think that offer will be enough. Silva seems to want a fourth year in his contract. I suppose it all depends on how quickly Bailey and Cueto develop. I think he could be a good no.3, and I would love it if we could keep it at 7 million , instead of 9 or 10 like I have been hearing. Here are his recent stats:

    Year Team G GS W L CG IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
    2005 MIN 27 27 9 8 2 188.3 212 83 72 25 9 71 3.44 1.17 .291
    2006 MIN 36 31 11 15 0 180.3 246 130 119 38 32 70 5.94 1.54 .324
    2007 MIN 33 33 13 14 2 202 229 99 94 20 36 89 4.19 1.31 .287

    Career M 55 46 945 1122 489 453 117 171 395 4.31 1.37 .299

    Judge for yourself if you want that sort of pitcher in our rotation
    I DON'T!! I would rather go with the young guys than give him any kind of contract over a year!

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    Re: Twins offer Silva a 3-year deal. Can the Reds offer a 4-year deal at that amount?

    Do not even want any part of Silva... Pay a Real Pitcher. It is absurd how the DBacks get Haren and the Reds do nothing...

    If the Reds want to WIN... Not COMPETE... Trade some parts for Santana and overpay for him...

    Look what the Detroit Tigers had to do when they overpaid for Magglio Ordonez...

    That had to be legit to get Free Agents to come there...

    Pudge, Rogers, etc...

    Then Look what happened...

    Cordero was a good start... But The Reds need to get serious and Grab Santana like the DBacks grabbed Haren... Under the Radar... Ya know... I just want the Reds to win so bad and it upsets me after all the Miltons and all...

    Why waste 8-10 Million on a Pitcher that Might be good in GAB? Go ahead and overpay Santana for 7 years and 140 Million and get a Cy Young Candiate that is going to win 15-22 Games, Pitch 200+ Innings, and Go Deep in Games the next 7 years...

    Then go get Bedard and do the same thing, just don't pay him 140 Million over 7, I'd say 5 Years and 75 Million...

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    Re: Twins offer Silva a 3-year deal. Can the Reds offer a 4-year deal at that amount?

    I like silva just not for the money and years he is expected to make


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