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    "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Now that the Dust has settled, it might be interesting to see if people's opinions have changed.

    The first time we ran this poll, the results were overwhelmingly against hiring Dusty Baker as manager. 63.87% voted "No" to the question "Are you happy with the Reds hiring Dusty Baker as manager?"

    A tremendous discussion ensued, and I wonder how many, if any, minds were changed.

    So, the same question again with the same options.

    Are you happy with the Reds hiring Dusty Baker as manager?
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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Went "no" before, and now I am in the "unsure" bucket.

    It all depends on how the rest of the off-season plays out.

    If Wayne is shopping the clearance rack at the thrift shop looking for the next Stanton or Cormier, then there will be nothing left to say. If they put their money where their mouths are this time, then I'll care less that Dusty is the manager.

    Dusty will have no prayer if Wayne releases Bullpen Bloodbath III next season.

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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Hell no. Still.
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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Quote Originally Posted by BoydsOfSummer View Post
    Hell no. Still.
    Exactly. I tempered my anger and rashness a couple of days later because it's something we, as Red fans, have to live with and can't change; but I don't care one bit for the guy's hiring, and my opinion has not changed.

    We finally went outside the organization and got that 'big name" manager. Whoppee!
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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Exactly. I tempered my anger and rashness a couple of days later because it's something we, as Red fans, have to live with and can't change; but I don't care one bit for the guy's hiring, and my opinion has not changed.

    We finally went outside the organization and got that 'big name" manager. Whoppee!

    What's this "we" stuff? Are you speaking for your children or did a bunch of Reds fans invade your house?
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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Dusty, just like anyone else, is going to have to earn the respect and appreciation for his management style by the various results that he obtains with individuals, team and overall results for a sustained period of time.

    In basketball and football a man and his staff are recognized for their ability to get the most out of their individual performers to make the team better, they have an ability to take what they have and make them better, can Dusty and his staff do that with what the Reds resources are? It remains to be seen.

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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    What's this "we" stuff? Are you speaking for your children or did a bunch of Reds fans invade your house?
    I have a feeling Ol' GACster is gonna be stuck with that one for a while. Like a goofy nick name you got stuck with as a kid.
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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    I hate the hire, but I am willing to give Dusty a chance...which ends the first time a pitcher throws his 126th pitch.

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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Quote Originally Posted by BoydsOfSummer View Post
    Hell no. Still.
    Amen.

    The guy's a clueless *****.

    You could show him 10 different ways why Bronson Arroyo can only go so many pitches before:

    A) He's ineffective; and,

    B) He'll get injured if he throws past a certain number of pitches.

    All of us on this site know what that number is as we've had the discussion numerous times. But, what will Baker do?

    He'll go past that number and injure Bronson before the season's 2 months old.

    That's just one example on how I am 100% sure why Dusty Baker is ineffective as a Manager.
    Last edited by Red Heeler; 10-30-2007 at 11:03 AM. Reason: Potentially offensive wording.
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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis View Post
    Amen.

    The guy's a clueless *****.

    You could show him 10 different ways why Bronson Arroyo can only go so many pitches before:

    A) He's ineffective; and,

    B) He'll get injured if he throws past a certain number of pitches.

    All of us on this site know what that number is as we've had the discussion numerous times. But, what will Baker do?

    He'll go past that number and injure Bronson before the season's 2 months old.

    That's just one example on how I am 100% sure why Dusty Baker is ineffective as a Manager.
    This post is hilarious. You call the guy a clueless ***** and ineffective basing it on the premise that he will overuse Arroyo, something he hasn't done yet. Maybe he will, but judge him on the past not some hypothetical case.
    Last edited by Red Heeler; 10-30-2007 at 11:04 AM. Reason: See original post.

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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Quote Originally Posted by joshnky View Post
    This post is hilarious. You call the guy a clueless retard and ineffective basing it on the premise that he will overuse Arroyo, something he hasn't done yet. Maybe he will, but judge him on the past not some hypothetical case.
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    I don't agree with the tone of his post, but Baker does have a history.

    That said I watched him a lot on BBTN. And he really seemed to start to understand more about pitch counts and effectiveness. I guess being on the set with Peter Gammons and Tim Kurkjian will force a guy to listen. High pitch count MIGHT lead to injury. High pitch counts OFTEN lead to diminished effectiveness.


    But it isn't just the pitching. If we start seeing Norris Hopper on a REGULAR BASIS while Hamilton is healthy, well that's a whole 'nother problem. If we see Gonzales hitting in the two-hole on a REGULAR BASIS, that's another issue.

    And all of this is moot if Krivsky doesn't fix the damn pen.
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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Quote Originally Posted by joshnky View Post
    This post is hilarious. You call the guy a clueless retard and ineffective basing it on the premise that he will overuse Arroyo, something he hasn't done yet. Maybe he will, but judge him on the past not some hypothetical case.

    I've already done that in other posts. I'm just putting an exclamation on the fact that I know what I'm talking about and I'm telling you ahead of time what's going to happen. Then I can say, "I told you so".
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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    I was unsure before and I will continue to be unsure until I see some changes attributable to Dusty.
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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    My first time around, I voted "no" and I still did mainly because. You know, just because. Truth is, as we get away from the shock of it all, I see some positives. The main positives are:

    1. He isn't a manager who doesn't have a record.

    Since Jack McKeon, we've had Bob Boone (losing record), Dave Miley (no record), Jerry Narron (losing record), and Pete Macklanin (no record). Now some may say a manager makes no difference, but I differ with this opinion. There's a reson why some guys win and others lose. Dusty is a winner.

    2. He may have connections.

    OK, so maybe not, but you have to admit that Boone, Miley, and Narron didn't have any that we knew of. Well, maybe the Josh Hamilton connection, but that was a shot in the dark. Truth is that we have hired so many nobodies, it a wonder we have done as well as we have.

    3. He's good with the press if you're not Steve Stone. And he's good with the players.

    Listening to Boone,. Miley, and Narron was torture. Same old lines game after game. At least with Dusty there's no Gene Mauch connection (why do I want to drive a stake into the heart of anyone who has that connection??). The players will be happy and they'll love him -- if they win. It's easy to hate someone when you lose. His record probably means we'll probably win more than we lose so it assures us of a happy clubhouse. As for the press, Steve Stone isn't here (or Kurt Merkur for that matter), so it should be OK.

    As much as I hate to say it, he needs to have a chance. We gave that chance to Boone (well, barely), Miley (after a year and a half honeymoon) and Narron (I stil can hear the arguments for why he should not be blamed for the downward slide he presided over). We loved Mack just because the team won two more games than they lost. He deserves a chance to prove his worth.

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    Re: "The Poll" on Dusty Baker, part two

    Still a big No over here.

    I expect the Unsures will pick up.
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