"The problem with strikeouts isn't that they hurt your team, it's that they hurt your feelings..." --Rob Neyer
"The single most important thing for a hitter is to get a good pitch to hit. A good hitter can hit a pitch that’s over the plate three times better than a great hitter with a ball in a tough spot.”
"I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and I'm all out of bubble gum."
- - Rowdy Roddy Piper
"It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong. I am not a big man"
- - Fletch
If Dunn is going to be dealt, packaging him with a few prospects to get Bedard would be among the best possible returns. That said, he has full no-trade and then can name 10 teams, so I don't think he'd approve the deal to Baltimore.
This is clearly one of those cases where talent is foremost and if you have the opportunity to add a top end talent that cannot be obtained otherwise, you do it. I agree, no Cueto or Bruce, otherwise, make it happen.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
"My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton
It probably would depend mostly on the contract extension the O's offered. It usually does, doesn't it?
"Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons
We can either be conservative and hover around 500 the next few years, take some chances and go for it, or rebuild.
Being conservative is the least appealing to me. We've done that since 2000.. just try to hover around 500 (with mixed results).
Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
Dunn has little trade value. Half year rentals have brought almost nothing in recent years. Trying to come up with a scenario to deal him and get a decent return is a non-starter. Dunn will hit it big as a free agent after 2008.
What are you, people? On dope? - Mr Hand
I'd deal Cueto, too. The only off-limits player is Bruce.
I know he has a no-trade clause, but in the opinion of the board, would accepting a moderate contract like Melvin Mora's drive the price down (read: so that Bruce is not included)? It would make dealing EE more palatable, and Mora could see a boost from the friendlier ballpark and league.
Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David
For Bedard I start by saying .... here's the roster. Pick three. Negotiate from there.
Approach 1: Freel, Hamilton, Votto and Bailey for Bedard and a AAA backup type (for depth).
Approach 2: Griffey, Freel, Votto or Hamilton (one), Bailey for Bedard and an unwanted salary, say Jay Peyton (if he's still an Oriole). If O's want Griff for publicity. Requires Griff's consent.
Approach 3: Bedard for Dunn, Freel, Votto or Hamilton (one), and a second-tier pitching prospect, say Lecure, Thompson, or Fisher. Homer stays a Red in this deal. Requires Dunn's consent.
No need to use EE in the deal; third basemen aren't that easy to come by and Reds need all the righty hitting they can get.
I would do Approach 1 and 2. Not sure about 3, but might feel compelled to do it to get top pitcher.
Last edited by Kc61; 11-02-2007 at 03:03 PM.