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    Re: A-Rod opts out

    The Yankees never paid him anywhere near that much, though. The Rangers gave him $25 a year, and they were still paying a big chunk of it while he was with the Yankees. So, let's see: the Rangers give him that ridiculous contract in the 1st place, they trade him for Soriano, who was about to get pretty expensive himself, and a prospect they chose over Robinson Cano who doesn't seem to have panned out, plus they traded Soriano for very little of value, and they were still stuck paying like $9M a year on A-Rod's contract. How happy do you think they are that he opted out and they can finally put all of it behind them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Those are some Arod stats that Boras won't be throwing around. Post-season performance that is.
    Yeah, he should really be ashamed of that .856 career postseason OPS: .279/.373/.483

    Unlike Mr. October Jr, senior clutch, Derek Jeter: .309/.377/.469

    Hmmm... at least Jeter is a gold glove defender and ARod has a lead glove........
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    Re: A-Rod opts out

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/sp...gewanted=print

    Keeping Score

    By Opting Out, Rodriguez Really Wants In

    By JEFFREY N. GORDON

    To the New York-centric sports fan, the most newsworthy event of the past week was not the Boston Red Sox’ sweep of Colorado in the World Series, but the decision of Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez to opt out of his contract to pursue the siren song of free agency. Indeed, the opt-out decision was announced during the final Series game, at virtually the earliest possible moment under the contract.

    Many believe that Rodriguez really means to leave the Yankees and has no class. From a bargaining perspective, however, the story up to now shows strong evidence of the reverse. Rodriguez wants to stay a Yankee — albeit after proving his open-market value — and has gone out of his way to make it possible for the Yankees to climb down from their posturing and match any offer.

    Conventional wisdom is that Rodriguez willfully ignored the Yankees’ repeated public assertions that they could not rationally pursue him in free agency because they would lose $30 million from the Texas Rangers when they took over his contract. But the Yankees’ assertion is simply a bargaining gambit.

    Assume some other team, call them the Dodgers, were to offer Rodriguez $32 million a year for eight years. Remember that the Dodgers are receiving no part of the Rangers’ booty. Is it really the Yankees’ position that Rodriguez is worth more to the Dodgers than to the Yankees? If the Dodgers can afford to pay the $32 million a year, can the Yankees — the richest franchise in sports — plead poverty?

    The Yankees’ earlier protestation about the Rangers’ money was to make it appear their hands were tied, so that they could land Rodriguez at a lower cost. But that bluff has been called. The lost Rangers money merely puts them on the same ground as other teams. How far will the Yankees go with cries of wounded pride?

    Now we understand why Rodriguez did not meet with the Yankees or return their calls. He did not want to give the Yankees an opening to make him a good offer, leaking the details to the news media. The expected news media circus would have added weight to the otherwise implausible Yankees claim that they could not negotiate in free agency without gaining a reputation as a weak bargainer and would have added more risks to a subsequent decision to opt out.

    In other words, Rodriguez wanted to test the market and to make it easier for the Yankees to get back into the game. If he really did not want to return, why would he care about the news media circus? Why not hear the offer, then burn the bridge?

    But here is the crucial piece of evidence that shows how much Rodriguez wants to wear pinstripes: the opt-out announcement during the final World Series game. We can assume that Rodriguez learned late last Sunday that Joe Girardi would be named the manager of the Yankees the next morning. If Rodriguez opts out after that announcement, his decision would be taken as a negative response to Girardi’s hiring.

    This could sour his relations with Girardi and finally make it rational for the Yankees not to match a market offer. That would upset Rodriguez’s strategy. How does he credibly signal that he is fine with the choice of Girardi and wants a pathway back to the Yankees in free agency?

    That is where the World Series announcement comes in. In bargaining lingo, it is a credible signal of his desire to remain a Yankee because it is costly. In other words, to show his Yankees preference, Rodriguez was forced to appear classless by disturbing the sanctity of the Series and by stepping on Boston’s triumph. That’s a cost.

    He put it in terms of uncertainty about the return of much-admired teammates, which sweetens, not sours, relationships. But his behavior makes absolutely no sense unless it was timed to precede the Girardi announcement, and that in turn makes no sense unless Rodriguez wants to be on his lineup card.

    There are two downsides for Rodriguez. First, it may well be that his open-market value is less than the Yankees’ best and final offer that he never heard. Second is that the Steinbrenner sons’ inexperience and anger could get in the way of the good judgment of the business people in the front office. If so, then a Yankees return to the World Series is further away than Yankees fans hope.

    Does this sound too sophisticated for a fellow who makes his living hitting home runs? Remember that his agent, Scott Boras, is the black-belt negotiator. Why would Boras gratuitously expose Rodriguez to ridicule and scorn?

    In short, unless the Yankees behave spitefully, there is a very good chance that Alex Rodriguez will be back at Yankee Stadium next spring.

    Jeffrey N. Gordon is the Alfred W. Bressler Professor of Law at Columbia University Law School.

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    http://www.miamiherald.com/857/story/299669.html

    Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said Wednesday the team must fund the original $9 million in deferred payments Rodriguez was owed for the remainder of the $252 million, 10-year contract he signed with the team before the 2001 season.

    That money, $3 million for each of the next three seasons, was reconfigured into an assignment bonus at the time of A-Rod's 2004 trade to the New York Yankees.

    "Anything that was part of the assignment bonus is considered earned at the time to the trade," Daniels said.

    That means Rodriguez walked away from $72 million when he opted out of the contract: salaries of $24 million owed by the Yankees in each of the next three seasons.

    Texas did save $21.3 million because of A-Rod's decision to opt out, according to Daniels. As part of the payment schedule agreed to at the time of the trade, Texas agreed to pay the Yankees $8,116,000 in 2008, $7,101,500 in 2009 and $6,087,000 in 2010.

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    Re: A-Rod opts out

    Players union fires a preemptive collusion threat.


    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3101262

    ORLANDO, Fla. -- The baseball players' union is worried commissioner Bud Selig is trying to hold down the price of Alex Rodriguez's next contract and that teams might be sharing information about their free-agent plans.

    General managers, in an innovation, each spoke at their annual meeting Tuesday about their offseason goals, and many mentioned what players they were making available. The idea was suggested by this year's co-chairs, Boston's Theo Epstein and Florida's Larry Beinfest, and many GMs said they found it to be useful.

    "Over the past few days, press reports coming out of the general managers' meetings relating to the sharing of information between clubs as to their plans regarding players potentially raise serious questions concerning the fairness and integrity of the free-agent market," the union said in a statement Thursday night after the four-day session ended. "Such questions are amplified by reports stating that the commissioner is attempting to influence the market for at least one player."

    A person familiar with the union's statement said the player in question was Rodriguez. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the statement didn't refer to A-Rod by name.

    Rob Manfred, executive vice president of labor relations in the commissioner's office, denied that there was any improper conduct.

    Baseball's labor contract says teams may not act in concert with regard to free agents. Union head Donald Fehr did not specify which reports concerned him but was clearly concerned a team's action might not be based solely on its own determinations.

    "Any such activity with respect to free agents is clearly improper," Fehr said in a statement. "We expect to look into the situation and are prepared to take the appropriate action to respond to any collusive behavior and to make sure that the rights of free-agent players under the Basic Agreement are fully protected."

    Fehr was traveling Thursday night and could not be reached.

    "I am at a loss to understand Mr. Fehr's inflammatory allegations," Manfred said. "In response to an inquiry, the MLBPA was informed early today that there has been no exchange of information among the clubs about players -- free agent or otherwise.

    "The union was also told that the press report in question was based on a very general discussion of club 'needs' and 'goals' in the offseason to facilitate trade discussions. Any suggestion that such a discussion violates the Basic Agreement is absurd," Manfred said.

    In the 1980s, players won three collusion grievances against management, cases that were settled for $280 million.

    Rodriguez opted out of a record $252 million, 10-year contract with the New York Yankees, forfeiting $72 million he was owed during the final three seasons. When the Yankees attempted to get a meeting with A-Rod, agent Scott Boras told them they had to make a $350 million offer if they wished to speak with the third baseman.

    Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press
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    Correlation is not causation. The teams acting in parallel in response to outrageous demands of a single player is not evidence of collusion. Sure, the PA should always be on the lookout for collusion, but this is sort of funny if you ask me.
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    I called this. I just didn't think it would happen this soon.
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    Re: A-Rod opts out

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I called this. I just didn't think it would happen this soon.
    Throw the threat out there and scare teams into over paying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Throw the threat out there and scare teams into over paying.

    Exactamundo, Cunningham.
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    Re: A-Rod opts out

    Now he may go back....what a piece of work

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3109894

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    Re: A-Rod opts out

    As some have said in this thread:

    1) Boras really read the market wrong
    2) A-Rod will go back to the Yankees
    3) The Baseball Union will cry collusion
    4) A-Rod just negotiated himself a serious pay cut

    The Yankees were said to be offering 10 years at 28 million per, Boras wanted 35 million per year. I bet A-Rod gets about 25 million when it is all done.

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    If this comes to pass, it will be a container ship size of egg on Boras' face and a massive miscalculation and boo-boo.

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    Re: A-Rod opts out

    Kind of funny how demanding just about twice as much money as most teams are willing to pay any other ballplayer doesn't draw a lot of interest.
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    Re: A-Rod opts out

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Kind of funny how demanding just about twice as much money as most teams are willing to pay any other ballplayer doesn't draw a lot of interest.
    It not going to help him land endorsements either.
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    Re: A-Rod opts out

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Kind of funny how demanding just about twice as much money as most teams are willing to pay any other ballplayer doesn't draw a lot of interest.
    Dude he's cute and it's A-Rod, A-ROD.

    Cmon now.


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