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    Kazmir maybe available???

    per mlbtraderumours:

    Rays' Kazmir May Be Available

    The week in hot stove kicks off with a bang: Joel Sherman of the New York Post has a source saying the Devil Rays might listen to offers for ace lefty Scott Kazmir. Kazmir turns 24 in January and carries a 3.64 career ERA despite pitching in the AL East. He's been particularly tough on the Red Sox (2.66 ERA in 101 innings). You have to think that if the Yankees are entertaining making an offer for Johan Santana, they'd consider Kazmir as well if the Rays would deal within the division.

    Sherman notes that Kazmir is under contract for three years as opposed to just one for Santana, which could equate the two pitchers in the marketplace. Erik Bedard, under control for two years, has to be in that group of elite, possibly available southpaws as well. Sherman believes the Rays would seek "multiple high-end pitchers" for Kazmir, who is entering arbitration for the first time this winter. The Yankees could offer a package starting with Phil Hughes, but the Mets don't seem to have the goods. It would take a pitcher of that nature - Hughes, Yovani Gallardo, Clay Buchholz. Otherwise, why would the Rays consider it?


    I hope the Reds will look into this!! Stubbs, Travis Wood, Maloney to start?

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    Pitching starved TB shopping Kazmir? I'm a bit scared.

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    Kazmir's arm balked a few times last year. Buyer beware. They said the same thing about Brad Penny 5 years ago too.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Ah good 'ol mlbtraderumors.com...

    Kazmir is a guy the Rays need to build around, rather than trade away to continue to rebuild.

    That being said, I would definitely offer Drew Stubbs, Travis Wood and Ryan Freel or something of similar value to the Rays.

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    also in the New York Papers..
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/11052007...gue_846843.htm

    "November 5, 2007 -- ORLANDO - The free- agent market is deep in center fielders, Scott Boras clients and Grade C possibilities - and all of it is expected to be very expensive.

    "It will be worse than a C [grade]," an NL executive countered. "And because of that, all trade possibilities will be explored by the majority of teams."

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    The trade market opens in earnest today with the start of the annual GM Meetings. Already, executives are talking about the potential for stars as big as Minnesota ace Johan Santana and Florida slugger Miguel Cabrera becoming available.

    But it might just start there. An executive familiar with Tampa's thinking said if the offers for Santana grow to a substantial level, then the Rays would test to see what they could get for Scott Kazmir.

    The thinking is that because Kazmir is three years from free agency as opposed to one year for Santana, he might bring nearly as much in return.

    The Rays need multiple high-end pitchers, and Kazmir, just about to enter arbitration eligibility for the first time, might be too expensive and ready to depart just as Tampa is projecting contention in two to three years.

    How comical would it be if the Mets, with their No. 1 need being a No. 1 starter, found themselves trying to trade for Kazmir 3½ seasons after getting Victor Zambrano for him?

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    The Devil Rays might not be the only team surprisingly putting a young, high-ceiling pitcher on the market. There is a lot of buzz that the Giants would consider moving Tim Lincecum as a way to address their paucity of young, impact position players.

    Interestingly, Lincecum is just the type of young, talented, controllable pitcher Tampa is pursuing, and the Rays have a boatload of young positional talent. The Rays have essentially made only B.J. Upton, whom they perceive as a top-flight center fielder for years, an untouchable. That means players such as Carl Crawford and Delmon Young could be had in the right deal. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Ah good 'ol mlbtraderumors.com...

    Kazmir is a guy the Rays need to build around, rather than trade away to continue to rebuild.

    That being said, I would definitely offer Drew Stubbs, Travis Wood and Ryan Freel or something of similar value to the Rays.
    Just sort of thinking out loud (in written form) here.

    If the Rays can add a couple of arms that would be "potentially" a tier beneath Kazmir then I think they would be doing a good thing...they have the fielders but need to expand the pitching staff..one Kazmir is good...having a Hughes and another equal too him may be better.

    Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Pitching starved TB shopping Kazmir? I'm a bit scared.
    TB is pitching LOADED. Still they're not trading Kazmir unless a really desperate GM gives them a goose that lays golden eggs.


    This might actually be the best time of the year to completely ignore baseball *reporting*.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFan View Post
    Just sort of thinking out loud (in written form) here.

    If the Rays can add a couple of arms that would be "potentially" a tier beneath Kazmir then I think they would be doing a good thing...they have the fielders but need to expand the pitching staff..one Kazmir is good...having a Hughes and another equal too him may be better.

    Just a thought.
    So are you saying that right now Kazmir is better than Hughes?

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    IF the rays are shopping him the they should be contracted immediately. His second half numbers suggest the balkiness in his arm wasn't serious at all. He may have the best pitcher in baseball in the second half. And if he wasn't, he certainly was top 5.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Scott Kazmir's price tag is about to rise thanks to arbitration and the D-Rays have no money. Carl Crawford's getting a raise, Carlos Pena is looking at a fat arbitration award.

    Say what you will about Scott Boras, but he's probably figured it out that Kazmir's never going to make much money in Tampa Bay and he might have made it clear they'll be seeking the arbitration maximum for the next three years if the team keeps him around.

    Perhaps there isn't anything to this rumor, but expect the Devil Rays over the next three years to be dealing some players who'd be untouchable on 29 other teams because they're making what passes for modest dollars in baseball's current market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Ah good 'ol mlbtraderumors.com...

    Kazmir is a guy the Rays need to build around, rather than trade away to continue to rebuild.

    That being said, I would definitely offer Drew Stubbs, Travis Wood and Ryan Freel or something of similar value to the Rays.
    and that will get you a laugh and a dial tone.

    They are looking for two quality, younger, and cheaper arms for Kazmir. My guess is they would be looking for Bailey AND Cueto. That's what it would take, IMO. Maybe you could get away with subbing Wood or Maloney for Cueto, but its doubtful.

    I wouldn't do it (but I would do the latter). A rotation of Harang-Kazmir-Arroyo would be QUITE tempting for the next three years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    TB is pitching LOADED. Still they're not trading Kazmir unless a really desperate GM gives them a goose that lays golden eggs.


    This might actually be the best time of the year to completely ignore baseball *reporting*.
    They aren't loaded at the major league level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    They aren't loaded at the major league level.
    Yes they are. It's the last thing they need to trade for.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Yes they are. It's the last thing they need to trade for.....
    You can keep saying it, but it won't make it true. They're loaded with theory. In practice they were the worst pitching team in baseball.
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    They have an absolute stud top of the rotation guy in Kazmir, another #1 in Shields and Edwin Jackson is poised to be at least a #2. Sonnanstine looks to have a ceiling at being a #2 but will likely settle in as a #3-4. 4/5 of their rotation is 25 or younger right now. I'd trade the Reds rotation for TB's straight up any day of the week. Their pen like Cincinnati's is the real problem.
    Suck it up cupcake.


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