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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Is that accurate? I thought the Cubs let Hamilton go.

    As for the 2nd part, on what basis? Marshall has proven more at the Major League level than Bailey or Cueto has (a 3.92 ERA in over 100 innings for a soutpaw isn't so bad). As for Hamilton, there is already an OF jam in Cincy and his health remains questionable. I'd trade Hamilton for Marshall and I wouldn't think twice.
    I would trade Hamilton for Marshall before Cueto or Bailey.... because I think this year Bailey outperforms Marshall across the board and I would bet Cueto can also do it by 2009. But a guy who allows more hits than innings, walked 3 guys per 9 and struck out less than 6 per game isn't someone I am willing to give up elite talent for (especially when you consider he tops out around 89 MPH) and that is what all three guys you named are. The only reason I would even consider Hamilton is because of his past and the possibility of them recurring....

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    SI.com's Jon Heyman / MLBTradeRumors.com -

    Alex Rodriguez's five possible destinations: Angels, Red Sox, Mets, Giants, Dodgers. That sounds about right. Heyman notes that the Dodgers do not have an advantage because of Joe Torre; he says star players don't consider managers as a criteria when deciding where to sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    How do you explain this Dusty???
    I can't see Baker having nearly enough pull where he can get some marquee names into town. Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I'd be pretty jazzed if the Reds stayed away from the majority of the free agents out there, but managed to land Iwase.
    So would I, but I have a hard time believing a Japanese FA or bid player would accept a contract for a midwestern team when a coastal team or big city has a hand in the process.

    Especially for their first assignment out of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    So would I, but I have a hard time believing a Japanese FA or bid player would accept a contract for a midwestern team when a coastal team or big city has a hand in the process.

    Especially for their first assignment out of the country.
    Iwamura went to TB. I think it depends on the hype around the player.

    Okajima also signed a dirt cheap (2 year, $2.5 million, with a third year team option) contract with Boston. I'm sure he would have went to a state like Ohio if they gave him a Stanton like contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Iwamura went to TB. I think it depends on the hype around the player.

    Okajima also signed a dirt cheap (2 year, $2.5 million, with a third year team option) contract with Boston. I'm sure he would have went to a state like Ohio if they gave him a Stanton like contract.
    Iwamura wasn't a free agent. The Rays made the highest bid for the posting fee, so it TB or wait a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blumj View Post
    Iwamura wasn't a free agent. The Rays made the highest bid for the posting fee, so it TB or wait a year.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    So would I, but I have a hard time believing a Japanese FA or bid player would accept a contract for a midwestern team when a coastal team or big city has a hand in the process.

    Especially for their first assignment out of the country.

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    Well, that could happen, but there's also pressure on the player to sign once he's been posted and his team thinks they're getting millions of dollars in return for his rights. My understanding is that the team could make things very uncomfortable for a player who does that.
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    And it looks like they're already wrong twice. ESPN reported that Andy Pettitte declined his option with the Yankees, and the Red Sox and Schilling are close to a 1 year deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I would trade Hamilton for Marshall before Cueto or Bailey.... because I think this year Bailey outperforms Marshall across the board and I would bet Cueto can also do it by 2009. But a guy who allows more hits than innings, walked 3 guys per 9 and struck out less than 6 per game isn't someone I am willing to give up elite talent for (especially when you consider he tops out around 89 MPH) and that is what all three guys you named are. The only reason I would even consider Hamilton is because of his past and the possibility of them recurring....
    Walks are something that can be fixed. He's a young enough pitcher that I think it's a fixable problem. His strikeouts weren't staggering, but similar to an Arroyo. The hits is a concern, but I think would good defense, that will go down. Also, it remains to be seen whether or not Bailey or Cueto are "elite talent." They've done well in the minors but are unproven at the major league level (I'd still say Hamilton is somehwat unproven as well).

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    This whole trading of Hamilton talk to me is bloody absurd. Do people not realize exactly how monumental a feat this kid did this previous year? He had never played above High A ball then disappeared for the better part of 4 years and came back and was a serious candidate for rookie of the year in the first half of this year.

    He has a controllable salary and an upside thru the damn roof!
    If we need to trade talent to get pitching I am sorry but this kid is not who I look to let go. I truly believe his loyalty and heart belongs to the Reds and you just do not give that away.
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    Topcat, I agree with you. Hamilton's upside is something people must be forgetting. This kid is unbelievable - and he proved that to me way more than Marshall has proved anything. I just don't get the trade Hamilton stuff - just about every proposal has his name in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topcat View Post
    This whole trading of Hamilton talk to me is bloody absurd. Do people not realize exactly how monumental a feat this kid did this previous year? He had never played above High A ball then disappeared for the better part of 4 years and came back and was a serious candidate for rookie of the year in the first half of this year.

    He has a controllable salary and an upside thru the damn roof!
    If we need to trade talent to get pitching I am sorry but this kid is not who I look to let go. I truly believe his loyalty and heart belongs to the Reds and you just do not give that away.
    No question about his upside and that it was a great comeback. But this team needs pitching and somebody has to go, that other teams might want, in order to get it.

    The Reds don't have enough pitching to trade any that is any good (Harang, Arroyo), promising (Belisle, Burton, Bray) or even potentially good down the road (Bailey, Cueto).

    The hitters who could front a deal and probably bring back the type of pitching the team needs without having to include one of the above named pitchers in the deal (or even if you do include Burton, Belisle or Bray) include only 2 guys - Jay Bruce and Josh Hamilton. The Reds won't get any pitching that is any better than what they already have for any of the others. So if you're picking between those two, Bruce is younger and doesn't have the downside of relapse that will come with Hamilton for the rest of his career.

    That's the tough choice. Trade Hamilton or Bruce to acquire the pitching you need, trade one of the young pitchers which probably still leaves the team short, trade somebody else eating away at the team's depth while only acquiring another body and not what is really needed or do nothing and continue losing 90 games each year.

    Once again, let me reiterate. IMO this team will only get the pitching it needs for a deal involing Bailey, Cueto, Hamilton or Bruce. I believe that the team needs a top starter and also needs to keep Bailey and Cueto to have enough pitching. You won't get what is needed for EdE, Votto, Phillips, Keppinger, Dunn and certainly not for Hatteberg or Griffey. They may get some one who can help or maybe a young guy who might be good later, but none of these guys bring back an immediate, ready made number 2 caliber starter and that is what should be on this team's shopping list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1 View Post
    Walks are something that can be fixed. He's a young enough pitcher that I think it's a fixable problem. His strikeouts weren't staggering, but similar to an Arroyo. The hits is a concern, but I think would good defense, that will go down. Also, it remains to be seen whether or not Bailey or Cueto are "elite talent." They've done well in the minors but are unproven at the major league level (I'd still say Hamilton is somehwat unproven as well).
    Well, stuff wise, both are light years ahead of Marshall, and 2 years younger than him as well. As for walks being fixable, yeah, they are to a point, but are the strikeouts? For the record though, Bronson is sub 3 in walks and over 6.60 in strikeouts. Just becuase someone is 'unproven' doesn't mean you just trade them for fringe average guys.....

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    Hamilton has a cieling through the roof.... he also has a long history of drug and injury problems.... I like Hamilton and I root for him, but I am not going to throw him into the 'untouchable' category either because of those problems.


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