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    2008 Reds major league breakout player

    IMO it's got to be Matt Belisle. He was perfectly handled the last three seasons, broken in as a reliever, given the occasional spot start, and got stretched out this year to 177 innings. He doesn't walk a lot of batters though he is a little HR prone, some of that can be attributed to this being his first year as a starter. Really he had the same year as Arroyo, and I think he can improve on the K's, IP and HR's.
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    I'd agree - I'm high on Belisle. K to BB rate is excellent, overall K rate is decent, and if a high BABIP is unlucky his .330 qualifies - fewer hits should fall in. Also his dErA was over a run better than his actual. Put it together and he looks ready to have a decent season. Bailey looked good when he returned - if he just let's his talent play and doesn't get in his own way he should have a good year, too. And that is why I think the Reds need to fix the defense as much as add pitching. Helping the best pitchers from the group we already have will tend to improve several guys numbers. Add experience gained for Burton, Coutlangus and all you have to do is subtract Stanton and Coffey and things look much better.

    Breakouts:

    1. Belisle
    2. Hamilton
    3. Bailey
    4. Votto
    5. Burton
    5-1/2. Ross 'improves' to something between '06 and '07.

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    Re: 2008 Reds major league breakout player

    Quote Originally Posted by RedlegJake View Post
    I'd agree - I'm high on Belisle. K to BB rate is excellent, overall K rate is decent, and if a high BABIP is unlucky his .330 qualifies - fewer hits should fall in. Also his dErA was over a run better than his actual. Put it together and he looks ready to have a decent season. Bailey looked good when he returned - if he just let's his talent play and doesn't get in his own way he should have a good year, too. And that is why I think the Reds need to fix the defense as much as add pitching. Helping the best pitchers from the group we already have will tend to improve several guys numbers. Add experience gained for Burton, Coutlangus and all you have to do is subtract Stanton and Coffey and things look much better.

    Breakouts:

    1. Belisle
    2. Hamilton
    3. Bailey
    4. Votto
    5. Burton
    5-1/2. Ross 'improves' to something between '06 and '07.
    Can a guy with a sub 2.60 ERA really have a 'breakout' year the next season?

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    Re: 2008 Reds major league breakout player

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Can a guy with a sub 2.60 ERA really have a 'breakout' year the next season?
    Well...a full year like we saw in the second half anyway but point taken.

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    Re: 2008 Reds major league breakout player

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Can a guy with a sub 2.60 ERA really have a 'breakout' year the next season?
    I must have missed his 35 saves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    I must have missed his 35 saves.

    One of these days, JimBo will buy a ticket to see Krivsky's statue in the Rule V Hall of Fame.
    Saves are overrated. If a guy faces 3-4-5 in the 7th or 8th he probably deserves the 'save' more than the guy who just happens to finish the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Saves are overrated. If a guy faces 3-4-5 in the 7th or 8th he probably deserves the 'save' more than the guy who just happens to finish the game.
    it's an argument of a logician, which is refuted by people that play (and pay for) the game. You know, experts.

    if Burton's great, then he'll have no problem with the lesser role of closing games. it shouldn't be a hard job to claim.

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    Re: 2008 Reds major league breakout player

    Ahh the love for Belisle continues. Not sold on him and I acutally think he should be moved to the pen in order to focus on one inning instead of starting or long relief. I think both his consistancy and his back are problems with Belisle.

    I think Hamilton is going to have a huge season. As long as he is inserted in the lineup every day and not messed with he will produce. I also look for a big season from Phillips. He improved last season and there is no reason he can't improve this season. I look for Bailey, Votto, and Bruce to produce this season but I dont know if I would consider them breakout players.

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    Re: 2008 Reds major league breakout player

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    I look for Bailey, Votto, and Bruce to produce this season but I dont know if I would consider them breakout players.
    it's going to be hard for Jay Bruce to produce in the majors when he is spending most of his time in Louisville.
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    Re: 2008 Reds major league breakout player

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Ahh the love for Belisle continues. Not sold on him and I acutally think he should be moved to the pen in order to focus on one inning instead of starting or long relief. I think both his consistancy and his back are problems with Belisle.

    I think Hamilton is going to have a huge season. As long as he is inserted in the lineup every day and not messed with he will produce. I also look for a big season from Phillips. He improved last season and there is no reason he can't improve this season. I look for Bailey, Votto, and Bruce to produce this season but I dont know if I would consider them breakout players.
    Actually one of the reasons the Red's decided to go ahead and make Belisle a starter was his back. It seems the inconsistency in pitching out of the pen was adding to the issue as opposed to helping it.

    You may not be sold on him be it's apparent he has the talent, the dedication and attitude to make it as a solid member of the rotation. Don't base it on results but actually watch what it is he is having problems with as he goes along and how he makes adjustments to determine whether or not he is growing.

    Take a look at both he and Harang's 1st few years in the bigs, their treks are quite similiar. That may not always be the best way to determine a player's potential success but in this case I feel it's applicable as Belisle seems to have a similiar work ethic as Harang which is the most important aspect. I fully expect him to tweek a few things and by the end of his 2nd full season be a legit #3 in this rotation.

    All that being said my pick would be Belisle but I am going to go another way just on a hunch.

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    Re: 2008 Reds major league breakout player

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Actually one of the reasons the Red's decided to go ahead and make Belisle a starter was his back. It seems the inconsistency in pitching out of the pen was adding to the issue as opposed to helping it.

    You may not be sold on him be it's apparent he has the talent, the dedication and attitude to make it as a solid member of the rotation. Don't base it on results but actually watch what it is he is having problems with as he goes along and how he makes adjustments to determine whether or not he is growing.

    Take a look at both he and Harang's 1st few years in the bigs, their treks are quite similiar. That may not always be the best way to determine a player's potential success but in this case I feel it's applicable as Belisle seems to have a similiar work ethic as Harang which is the most important aspect. I fully expect him to tweek a few things and by the end of his 2nd full season be a legit #3 in this rotation.

    All that being said my pick would be Belisle but I am going to go another way just on a hunch.

    My Pick: Bill Bray
    I just dont see it with Belisle. He has had some good starts but he also has had some poor starts. I see him more of a poor mans Lohse. If he ever finds consistancy I think he can be a 4.0-4.5 ERA guy and be a good back of the rotation starter. I still would like to see him move to a late inning pitcher. I think he has good stuff and a lot of starters with good stuff have been successful when they can go all out over the course of 1 inning instead of pitcher 5 innings.

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    Re: 2008 Reds major league breakout player

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Ahh the love for Belisle continues. Not sold on him and I acutally think he should be moved to the pen in order to focus on one inning instead of starting or long relief. I think both his consistancy and his back are problems with Belisle.

    I think Hamilton is going to have a huge season. As long as he is inserted in the lineup every day and not messed with he will produce. I also look for a big season from Phillips. He improved last season and there is no reason he can't improve this season. I look for Bailey, Votto, and Bruce to produce this season but I dont know if I would consider them breakout players.
    Agree with you on Belisle. He is no more than a #5 starter or swing-man type. Nice to have, but no breakout candidate IMO.

    Hamilton will do well, I agree. I'm a bit worried about his durability, though. He may have the makings of the next J.D. Drew - tantalizing talent, but not on the field a whole lot.

    Phillips, I think, may have reached his peak unless he improves his plate discipline. I don't think his power projects to increase too much (it's already at a pretty high level for a player of his build I think... unless he's Soriano or Eric Davis, which is unlikely) and steals, well, I think they just look pretty on the stat sheet more than anything else. I he improves his OBP to around .360 or .370, we've got ourselves a breakout... but I'm worried that he's too enamored with his recent 30-30 fame to change his game in that way.
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    Re: 2008 Reds major league breakout player

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Agree with you on Belisle. He is no more than a #5 starter or swing-man type. Nice to have, but no breakout candidate IMO.

    Hamilton will do well, I agree. I'm a bit worried about his durability, though. He may have the makings of the next J.D. Drew - tantalizing talent, but not on the field a whole lot.

    Phillips, I think, may have reached his peak unless he improves his plate discipline. I don't think his power projects to increase too much (it's already at a pretty high level for a player of his build I think... unless he's Soriano or Eric Davis, which is unlikely) and steals, well, I think they just look pretty on the stat sheet more than anything else. I he improves his OBP to around .360 or .370, we've got ourselves a breakout... but I'm worried that he's too enamored with his recent 30-30 fame to change his game in that way.
    I'd like to say I believe this is an outstanding assessment, but I do have a quibble with the bit about Belisle...based on context alone. If Belisle can curtail the homerun ball (and extra base hits in general) and pitch better with runners on base, an inning soaker with a Run Average in the 4.8 range is very valuable especially considering the ballpark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    The old saying is usually you have to be good enough to win a GG for a year or two before you get one.
    This quote is why I pick Brandon Phillips. He replicates his 2007 performance, makes the All-Star team, and wins a Gold Glove (heck, maybe even increases the OBP a bit. )
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