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    White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    ESPN Radio 1000 in Chicago's Bruce Levine has been saying that the White Sox are prepared to offer the largest deal in team history to free agent center fielder Torii Hunter. The deal would be five years at $15m per year.

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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    Lots of money for a guy who isn't even an average defender in CF anymore....

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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Lots of money for a guy who isn't even an average defender in CF anymore....
    and has a ~.320 OBP
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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    I don't think it's that bad...Damon got $13 million per, didn't he? Hunter is a much better fielder and had a .500 SLG last season.

    I think that is a decent price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I don't think it's that bad...Damon got $13 million per, didn't he? Hunter is a much better fielder and had a .500 SLG last season.

    I think that is a decent price.
    Just because someone else has a bad contract doesn't mean a better player should get one like it.

    And just fielding the ball wise (not taking into account throwing arms) Damon gets to quite a bit more baseballs than Torii Hunter does these days.
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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    It was reported awhile back that 5/75 was the minimum Hunter would accept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    ... and had a .500 SLG last season.
    ... is that a reasonable expectation moving forward?
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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    ... is that a reasonable expectation moving forward?
    Last year was the first time he had slugged .500 since 2002.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    Last year was the first time he had slugged .500 since 2002.
    which was the point. Now that he will be moving into his mid 30 is it reasonable to expect a SLG% anywhere near .500?

    Is it a good idea to be paying a CF ~15M a year for a 750-770 OPS?
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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    which was the point. Now that he will be moving into his mid 30 is it reasonable to expect a SLG% anywhere near .500?

    Is it a good idea to be paying a CF ~15M a year for a 750-770 OPS?
    My answer would be 'no' to both.

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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    which was the point. Now that he will be moving into his mid 30 is it reasonable to expect a SLG% anywhere near .500?

    Is it a good idea to be paying a CF ~15M a year for a 750-770 OPS?
    Not unless he is going to be Andruw Jones in the field for those years, every year and be saving 20-25 runs a year.

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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    Another offseason is upon us, as we laugh at all the other teams paying crazy amounts of money for the better FAs. I can't wait for the smarter FA signings that Wayne is known for. The Stantons and Gonzalezes. Those are the smart moves.

    Just because you think that a contract is "bad" doesn't make it such. Damon makes $13 million? It's called market value. This board was in hysterics last season when Meche, Lilly and Marquis were signed. We got Lohse and Stanton. Sweet. If the market says Hunter is worth that much, then that's what he's worth.

    I think our perception is skewed because the Reds are one of the teams who think people are worth 2002 salaries. Times have changed. $15 million isn't that much when you want to win.
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    Another offseason is upon us, as we laugh at all the other teams paying crazy amounts of money for the better FAs. I can't wait for the smarter FA signings that Wayne is known for. The Stantons and Gonzalezes. Those are the smart moves.

    Just because you think that a contract is "bad" doesn't make it such. Damon makes $13 million? It's called market value. This board was in hysterics last season when Meche, Lilly and Marquis were signed. If the market says Hunter is worth that much, then that's what he's worth.

    I think our perception is skewed because the Reds are one of the teams who think people are worth 2002 salaries. Times have changed. $15 million isn't that much when you want to win.
    15 Million isn't that much if you want to win, but its a lot when a player isn't worth it. As for Stanton being lumped with Gonzalez, how does that work? Gonzalez was a positive contributor to this team, while Stanton did nothing but hurt the team.

    I disagree that just because a team pays something for a player means he is worth that much. It just means his agent found a stupid GM or something unforeseen happened that caused his production to fall off. If Torii Hunter replicates his 2007 season exactly next year, he might be worth 15 million, but is he going to do that for 5 more years? Its very doubtful.

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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    15 Million isn't that much if you want to win, but its a lot when a player isn't worth it. As for Stanton being lumped with Gonzalez, how does that work? Gonzalez was a positive contributor to this team, while Stanton did nothing but hurt the team.

    I disagree that just because a team pays something for a player means he is worth that much. It just means his agent found a stupid GM or something unforeseen happened that caused his production to fall off. If Torii Hunter replicates his 2007 season exactly next year, he might be worth 15 million, but is he going to do that for 5 more years? Its very doubtful.
    As other teams somehow find the way to pay for these guys, the Reds sit on the sidelines.

    I agree to an extent. If one team pays and absurd amt for one player on a one off basis, that doesn't make him worth it. But when it starts to become a trend, it becomes a little troubling. If salaries are on the rise, then it isn't stupid GMs any more. The teams not keeping up with the market are stupid.

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    Re: White Sox to Offer Largest Deal in Team History to Torii Hunter?

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    If salaries are on the rise, then it isn't stupid GMs any more. The teams not keeping up with the market are stupid.
    its supply and demand. Its lots of $$ chasing minimal production. The free agent market is mostly bereft of production. A team with a limited budget would be prudent to find a different way to address their issues rather than joining the crowd because the ROI is likely to be very LOW. The winning small market franchises will be the ones that pay for real production.
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