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    Last 2 paragraphs of this article makes it sound like a new MLB club shouldn't expect state money from Arizona to build a stadium. That could be a big obstacle to a Reds move there.

    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/nov/...ds/?printer=1/

    Arizona cities interested in Reds, too

    By Laurel Scheffel

    Wednesday, November 14, 2007

    VERO BEACH — If Vero Beach is interested in courting the Cincinnati Reds to replace the Los Angeles Dodgers for spring training, there might be some competition.

    According to an Associated Press report Tuesday, three cities in Arizona — Casa Grande, Tucson and Goodyear — are hoping to bring the Reds to the Cactus League after voters in Sarasota, the team's current location, rejected a referendum that would have provided $16 million in stadium renovations.

    The Reds said last week they are looking at locations in both Florida and Arizona, though they have three one-year lease options that could keep them in Sarasota through 2011.

    "We would love to have the Reds in the Cactus League," Brad Wright, an Arizona Sports & Tourism Authority board member who heads the Cactus League committee, told the AP. "The logical place, considering the dynamics, would be Tucson Electric Park."

    Tucson will be available when the White Sox join the Dodgers in Glendale, Ariz., as soon as 2009.

    Indian River County Administrator Joe Baird has said he is negotiating with a major league baseball team and has had contact with other teams interested in Dodgertown. He was unavailable for comment Tuesday.

    Vero Beach mayor Tom White does not know if Baird has spoken to the Reds since the referendum failed last week, but White said Vero Beach should be desirable for any team.

    "Arizona has really been vying for baseball teams over there, but you start doing that for spring training, that will be tough to get people there (from Ohio)," White said. "We don't have a fancy stadium, but we have an atmosphere for old-time baseball. Arizona is all well and good, but I think Florida has the upper hand in spring training."

    Reds Director of Florida Operations Jeff Maultsby said last week that Florida has an advantage over Arizona because of its proximity to Cincinnati's fan base and minor league locations.

    However, all options will be explored.

    "I'm getting a lot of phone calls and e-mails from both states, probably more from Arizona than Florida," outgoing Reds chief operating officer John Allen told the AP. "We're weeding out the pretenders and the contenders, if you will."

    The Reds may face some challenges from major league baseball officials if they want to head to Arizona. Nick Gandy, director of communications for the Florida Sports Authority, said if another team left Florida, it would create an odd number of teams in both the Grapefruit and Cactus leagues, which would cause problems with scheduling.

    "It would make things a lot more difficult if we had an uneven number of teams," Gandy said.

    IS THE WELL DRIED UP IN ARIZONA?

    AZSTA president and chief executive officer Ted Ferris said back in July there is no more money to give other teams interested in building new facilities in Arizona for the next two decades. Here is a look at his comments back then:

    "We've committed all of our money through 2031 when the tourism tax is set to expire. We have reserved money for our present commitments, as well as other facilities with leases due to expire in the next 20 years. ... We have no money for future teams looking to relocate here from Florida. If we wanted to lure another team from Florida, it would take a new infusion from the state legislature, but that is not something the committee seeks at this time."
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    As far as teams having to move in tandem, it gets mentioned almost every time there is speculation about teams moving to AZ. In fact, the Ballpark Digest writeup of yesterday's article mentions it http://www.ballparkwatch.com/

    It makes sense that you have to have an even amount of teams for scheduling purposes.

    I don't think Brewers are mystery team in Vero either. I think it's O's or Cards.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_7494268

    According to Rockies spokesman Jay Alves, the mayor of the city of Goodyear, Ariz., misspoke when he said Colorado had discussions about relocating there for spring training. The Rockies can opt out of their lease in Tucson if the White Sox don't find a replacement team. The Cincinnati Reds are the leading candidate.
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    Heck, if we ar ebing selfish, I vote for Vero or Orlando as I have access to Time Shares in both.

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    http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/pho...ml?t=printable
    White Sox, Dodgers break ground on new stadium
    The Business Journal of Phoenix - by Chris Casacchia Phoenix Business Journal

    The Cactus League's newest venue in the West Valley broke ground Monday.

    With the words "play ball" exclaimed by Dodger announcer Vin Scully, the cities of Glendale and Phoenix broke ground on the facility slated to house the Los Angeles Dodgers and Chicago White Sox in 2009.

    The White Sox, who share Tucson Electric Field in Tucson with the Diamondbacks, have to find a replacement in that ballpark. The Cincinnati Reds are rumored to be that suitor after not extending its lease in Florida.

    Attendees included Glendale Mayor Elaine Scruggs, Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, Dodgers owners Frank and Jamie McCourt, White Sox Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and General Manager Ken Williams as well as Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano.

    The site is located at 111th Avenue, west of the Loop 101 between Camelback Road and Glendale Avenue, and crosses both Glendale and Phoenix city borders. The site will include, residential, restaurant and retail development, a 4-star hotel and 18-hole golf course, developed by Rightpath Limited Development Group.

    Based on a 2006 Economic Impact Study conducted by Economic Research Associates, it is estimated that moving the Dodgers and White Sox will have a substantial economic impact for Glendale, Phoenix and the region -- anticipated to be as much as $19 million per year.

    Details of the project include:

    * A 10,000 seat stadium, with 3,000 lawn seats, which will cost approximately $76 million to build.
    * The Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority will provide 2/3 of the funding needed to construct the facility.
    * 118,000 square feet of major and minor league clubhouses for the two teams.
    * Four major league practice fields, eight minor league practice fields and two practice infields.
    * The site will include parking to accommodate 5,000 vehicles.
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    Just Say No To Arizona.

    (sorry McClain and all AZ & West Coast-residents)
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    Winter Haven is making a run at the Reds
    http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...plate=printart

    County Seeks Replacement for Indians
    By Andy Kuppers

    As the Cleveland Indians prepare for their final Spring Training next year in Winter Haven, Polk County officials are looking to fill the void and will talk to the Cincinnati Reds in the coming weeks.

    The Reds are ending their decade-long relationship with Sarasota after voters struck down a proposal Nov. 6 to raise $16 million in bonds to rebuild Ed Smith Stadium.

    The Indians will move to Goodyear, Ariz., in 2009 after training in Winter Haven for 15 years.

    "We'd like to replace the Indians," said Mark Jackson, Polk County's director of tourism and sports marketing. Jackson said he hopes to meet with representatives from the Reds in the next "couple of weeks," and has had contact with a couple of other teams "that are looking for alternatives to their current situation." He wouldn't identify the teams because they're still under contract with other cities.

    Exactly where a Major League team would train isn't clear.

    The Chain of Lakes complex where the Indians train is in need of repairs. Since the team moved to town, the city has lost money, as much as $1 million in recent years. The city has expressed interest in replacing the complex with commercial development that would include shopping and dining, similar to Lakeland's Lakeside Village.

    If Winter Haven isn't interested, Jackson said there might be other alternatives, including building new facilities in other cities or unincorporated areas of the county.
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    AZ sounds good to me. And with my RV trailer I bought recently, it would be fun to arrange a camping trip to AZ and a Reds game or two.

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    that's the first mention I've seen of a Florida city that's trying....
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Re: Cactus league anyone?

    Some more recent articles on the Reds future ST home

    From the main Tucson paper
    http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/211506
    Reds likely to remain in Florida for training
    By Josh Brodesky
    arizona daily star
    Tucson, Arizona | Published: 11.14.2007

    Considering it's baseball, anything can happen. But it's unlikely the Cincinnati Reds will be the salvation to Tucson's spring training troubles.
    Although a bond to upgrade the Reds' training facility in Florida was rejected by voters last week, baseball insiders say the team would like to stay in the Sunshine State.
    Still, the president of the Arizona Diamondbacks will be meeting with Reds ownership tonight to pitch spring training in the Old Pueblo.
    "I, obviously, have positive feelings about Tucson and think our facility has worked well," Diamondbacks President Derrick Hall said. "Obviously, the more the merrier when it comes to spring training in Tucson and Southern Arizona."
    This won't be the first time Hall has made a pitch to the Reds about replacing the Chicago White Sox, who are looking to move to Glendale for the 2009 season. In the past, Reds ownership has said the team planned to stay in Sarasota, Fla., but that was before the bond failed.
    "I think a lot of that had to do with the fact they were confident they were going to get their approval," Hall said. "They have said they are going to consider Arizona. When I hear 'consider Arizona,' I hope it means 'consider Tucson.' "
    Reds representatives declined to comment.
    Tucson is the spring training home to the Diamondbacks, White Sox and Colorado Rockies. All three teams have signed contracts to hold spring training here through 2012, but that is contingent on there being at least three major-league teams. With the White Sox looking to leave and no set replacement team, the future of spring training in Tucson is tenuous.
    While there has been talk about the possibility of the Reds moving to Arizona, the team has not had any official discussions with Pima County, the Cactus League or the Arizona Baseball and Softball Commission.
    Pima County is not taking an active stance in luring the Reds, but if the team is interested in moving spring training to Tucson, county officials will gladly meet.
    "At this point, it's best to leave it with the Diamondbacks and the White Sox, to leave it mostly in their hands," Pima County Administrator Chuck Huckelberry said. "We probably know the least of anybody."
    But the perception among baseball insiders is the Reds prefer to stay in Florida.
    "I don't think there is any kind of situation that says the Reds are definitely moving to Arizona," said Robert Brinton, Cactus League vice president. "My guess is it would be far easier for them to get something worked out for them in Florida."
    And while it would make sense to have the Reds replace the White Sox at Tucson Electric Park, Tucson would almost certainly be competing against Goodyear and possibly Casa Grande.
    The Phoenix suburb of Goodyear is building a $74.5 million stadium for the Cleveland Indians, and Goodyear's Mayor Jim Cavanaugh has said the city would like a second spring-training team — it has already had talks with the Rockies.
    Jeff Schatzki, director of the governor's Baseball and Softball Commission, said he sees merits to both Tucson and Goodyear as spring-training sites, and that it's not his place to favor one community over another.
    While there are only three teams in the Tucson area and travel to Phoenix is an issue, "the facility is already there," he said.
    Meanwhile, Goodyear would be offering a new stadium, an American League team from the same state and the proximity of what will be 12 teams in the greater Phoenix area.
    Schatzki said he doesn't believe the Phoenix area is reaching a saturation point for spring-training teams.
    "The Phoenix area is growing so rapidly that when you look at it from just a local fan base, I think we can accommodate that kind of growth," he said.
    Saturation is a concern for the Cactus League, however. Brinton, the league's vice president, said much of the movement of teams to Phoenix is dictated by incentives for ownership and accessibility for fans, as there are more direct flights to Phoenix.
    "To me, spring training has evolved into sponsor conditioning and fan conditioning every bit as much, if not more, than player conditioning," he said.
    Such an evolution, Brinton said, puts spring training in Tucson at risk because it can't offer the same deals as Goodyear and Glendale.
    "I think it would be a shame, an absolute shame, for the Cactus League to lose Tucson," Brinton said. "But here again, spring training once was really about conditioning the players. Now it's an opportunity to make revenue."
    And another story from the East Valley Tribune, a paper in the Phoenix Suburbs
    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/101948
    Reds considering spring options
    Jack Magruder, Tribune

    Cincinnati is a free agent, and the Cactus League appears a probable landing site, perhaps as early as 2009.

    The Reds are actively seeking a new spring training headquarters after voters in Sarasota, Fla., rejected a $16 million tax package Nov. 6 to pay for improvements to Ed Smith Field.

    Cincinnati already has been contacted by several cities that it did not wish to name in Arizona and Florida expressing interest, and among the factors could be Arizona’s link with Reds owner Robert Castellini, a part-owner of a luxury hotel in the Valley.

    Meanwhile, Colorado is in negotiations with Goodyear about a possible relocation from Tucson, the Arizona Daily Star reported, a move that could cripple spring training in Tucson.

    “We are looking outside Sarasota. That’s a fact,” Cincinnati official Rob Butcher said Tuesday.

    “We would always want any new teams we could get to come to Arizona,” D-Backs managing partner Ken Kendrick said.

    “We’d love to have the Reds here. It would help if they were interested in going to Tucson.”

    The Reds can leave Sarasota after the 2008 season, and Tucson appears to be the most logical candidate if they were to choose Arizona, although cities such as Goodyear, Surprise and Casa Grande are certain to be interested.

    Tucson has been home to the D-Backs, Colorado Rockies and Chicago White Sox since 1998, but the White Sox have announced plans to move to Glendale in 2009 to partner with the Los Angeles Dodgers, who are leaving Vero Beach, Fla., that year.

    The White Sox cannot get out of their lease with Pima County that expires in 2012 unless they supply a replacement team, which brings Cincinnati into play.

    “I’m guessing the White Sox are probably in touch with the Cincinnati Reds,” Cactus League president J.P. de la Montaigne said.

    “If they (Reds) were interested, it would seem like a good move.”

    If the White Sox or Colorado leave Tucson without supplying a replacement, the remaining two teams can cancel their leases and look elsewhere.

    It is unclear, the Star said, how serious Colorado’s negotiations with Goodyear are.
    The D-Backs said last spring that they would consider relocation if only two teams remained in Tucson.

    Cleveland plans to return to Arizona from Florida in 2009, when Goodyear will have a new facility ready.

    The drawback for any new movement into the Valley is the lack of state funding.
    Goodyear and Glendale are scheduled to receive money from car rental and hotel taxes through the Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority, but their projects leave nothing for others.

    “There is no more funding available in Phoenix through the Sports and Tourism Authority,” de la Montaigne said. “I don’t know if anyone (cities) would have the money” to add another team.

    Cincinnati has three one-year options to stay in Sarasota, in case a new facility is not ready until after 2009.

    Vero Beach and Winter Haven, which will lose the Dodgers and Cleveland, also could try to lure the Reds.
    I didn't know until I read the second that Castellini has financial ties to the area - although the article doesn't mention which hotel he owns here and I didn't have any luck finding the answer on Google. Not that it will mean much in the grand scheme of things.

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    From the LA Times re: Vero Beach:

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...adlines-sports

    The main parts of the story:

    A major league club has reserved the option to replace the Dodgers when they move from their longtime spring home in Vero Beach, Fla., Mayor Tom White said Friday. He said the deal could enable spring training in Vero Beach -- a tradition since 1948 -- to continue uninterrupted after the Dodgers leave.

    An option could enable the Orioles to pit Vero Beach against their current spring home of Fort Lauderdale. The Orioles' lease in Fort Lauderdale extends through 2009, and they have long asked for renovations there.


    If next spring is indeed the Dodgers' final one in Vero Beach, the relationship between team and city officials could be frosty. In order to accommodate an exhibition tour of China, the Dodgers cut their Vero Beach schedule from 17 games last spring to 10, the minimum required by their lease.

    And, counting travel time to China, Manager Joe Torre and many regular players might not appear at more than six games in Vero Beach.

    "We're kind of upset because they're doing this in their last year," White said. "We would like to get a full season in. But, as long as they honor their contract, there's not much we can do."

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    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ds0114-ON.html

    Reds to tour Goodyear; team searching for spring home

    Jessica Coomes
    The Arizona Republic
    Jan. 14, 2008 05:45 PM
    Cincinnati Reds officials, who are searching for the team's new spring training home, will be in Goodyear Wednesday for a tour of the city.

    Goodyear has been trying to lure a second baseball team to fill its soon-to-be-built spring training ballpark. The Cleveland Indians already have committed to train there, starting in 2009.

    The Reds began looking for a new city to train when voters in Sarasota, Fla., in November rejected paying for renovations to the Reds' training stadium.

    "Goodyear is entertaining the first visit from the Reds," city spokeswoman Nora Fascenelli said. "It's a preliminary visit from them. They came to us and inquired about the possibilities."

    Reds spokesman Rob Butcher confirmed the visit but would not say if the team is visiting other cities or which Reds officials will be in Goodyear. Major League Baseball teams will be in Scottsdale on Wednesday and Thursday for an owners' meeting.
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    Reds eyeing Arizona for spring home
    01/14/2008 10:15 PM ET
    By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

    CINCINNATI -- An indication they are keeping their options open about a new Spring Training home, the Reds are taking a closer look at Arizona.

    Former Reds chief operating officer John Allen, now a consultant during the club's camp search, will be in Goodyear, Ariz., on Wednesday. Local leaders will make their case during a presentation and give Allen a tour of the city and the location of their planned facility.

    A Nov. 6 ballot referendum that would have provided $16 million in funding to improve the club's current Sarasota, Fla., facility was not approved. The Reds immediately opened a search for a new place to train, which has interested communities in Florida and Arizona reaching out.

    Still in the process of building a Spring Training ballpark, Goodyear will be hosting the Indians beginning in 2009. The city, a western suburb of Phoenix, is seeking a second club to share the facility.

    The Reds' Florida lease at Ed Smith Stadium runs until October, but there are three one-year club options that could extend the club's stay through the 2011 season. Allen and the club have given no details about other cities they might be interested in visiting.
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    Seems like we're split. All the folks that live, coincidentally, in Arizona and California (or the west coast) think it's wonderful and those of us in the east or midwest think it stinks.

    I say it's spinach and to Hell with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    Seems like we're split. All the folks that live, coincidentally, in Arizona and California (or the west coast) think it's wonderful and those of us in the east or midwest think it stinks.

    I say it's spinach and to Hell with it!

    Split the difference and have Spring Training in Texas.
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    It should be interesting to see how this works out. Many Indians fans up here are cheesed off that they have to go back to Arizona, just because the travel costs are higher. Also ticked off are those Indians fans who retired to the area around Winter Haven for the purpose of being able to see Indians spring training and getting left out by the AZ move. On the other hand, there are quite a few people with connections to AZ from back in the days when the Indians trained there before who are happy to see the Indians return. Cincinnati doesn't have that traditional bond with AZ, so I suspect there will be more people up in arms about it. On the other hand, I suspect there are quite a few Reds fans looking forward to a change of venue.

    I don't think Winter Haven is an option for the Reds. From what I've heard from Indians fans, the Winter Haven facilities aren't all that great and Winter Haven itself isn't all that exciting. If the Reds went there, I would suspect it would be more out of spite against Sarasota for voting down the stadium. If the choice is between Winter Haven and AZ, I think AZ is going to win. If another team doesn't go out, then maybe they just start doing more split squad games.

    Personally, I visited Spring Training in Sarasota and loved it, so I wouldn't mind it if they stayed put. I wish Bonita Springs were more of an option just because I have relatives with a condo they rent out in Naples. I don't know if I would be able to handle a family trip to AZ. That's four plane tickets and I can't tempt the wife and kids with a side trip to Busch Gardens, Disney, or my wife's relatives.
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