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    Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    I hope this hasn't already been posted. I would love to trade Freel...


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    Wright shouldn't move for A-Rod
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    It's not hard to understand the lure of Alex Rodriguez's siren song. Ten years from now, he might have outhomered Barry Bonds, approached Pete Rose's hit record and be regarded as one of the greatest players who ever lived. It's not hard to know why Scott Boras engaged the Mets in discussions; he wouldn't be representing Alex if he didn't try to get another New York team in on the last waltz.

    But it is hard to understand what the Mets were thinking when they treated their best player as if he were Damion Easley. Move David Wright to second base? Puh-leaze. Not only did he win the Gold Glove at third this season, but he's never played second base, even going back to AAU ball when Ryan Zimmerman had to switch to second because Wright was the third baseman. Left field? Absurd. Wright is, along with Zimmerman, one of the two best defensive third basemen in the National League. And while A-Rod is very good, his range factor was below that of Miguel Cabrera.

    Is Wright ever going to be a 50-home run hitter? Probably not, especially at Shea Stadium. But look at Wright's career offensive numbers compared to A-Rod's through age 24:


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    SLG .551 .533
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    This is not about Wright vs. Rodriguez, because they are both great players, and Rodriguez at first base with Wright at third and Jose Reyes at short would be a spectacular combination. But Wright, at 24, accepted every responsibility when the Mets struggled down the stretch. While the majority of his teammates practically hid out and ducked under tables in the players' lounge, Wright was there to answer the tough questions. "I feel," he said one day, "that it is my responsibility."

    Granted, Rodriguez was a Gold Glove shortstop who moved to third base, but he initiated the action to get out of Texas. And when the Yankees took a hard line in regards to his negotiations with the players associated, he had no choice but to move over in respect for Derek Jeter. This is different. Wright is the Mets' best player; he's not moving to another position. He and Willie Randolph were the two people who stood and accepted the harsh music down the stretch, and after seeing how Randolph was carved up, now Wright has read that he is fungible.

    With Tom Glavine likely gone, the Mets need pitching -- starting and relieving. Their starters weren't as bad as some think. They were second in the National League in quality starts and fifth in starters' ERA (4.40). But unless Pedro Martinez stages a miracle comeback, they really don't have a starter who'd be a No. 3 on an American League contender.

    They also need Wright, his talent, his extraordinary character, his leadership, his face on the franchise's banners for the next decade. Which is why Jeff Wilpon owes his best player, big-time.

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    Bud Selig's reaction to the general managers' proposal to implement instant replay for boundary calls on home runs was to say, "I will take it under advisement." Selig has opposed widespread use of instant replay because the pace of the game is already an issue, but using replay to check calls over walls and around foul poles might take less time than protracted arguments. Jimmie Lee Solomon of the commissioner's office let the GMs know that umpires will enforce speedup rules next season, from the 12 seconds pitchers are supposed to have between pitches to batters being forced to stay in the batters' box.

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    Joe Girardi would love to be reunited with Miguel Cabrera, but if the Yankees stick to their pledge not to trade Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain or Ian Kennedy, he will not end up in the Bronx. The Dodgers and Angels, in that order, have the best potential packages to satisfy the Marlins, but one of them may end up with A-Rod.

    Boston has offered Mike Lowell three years at well more than $30M, but the J.D. Drew $14M-per-year barrier is still a major problem. Boston would like to get Lowell done and move Coco Crisp for young pitching and/or catching (Minnesota has the pitching), but the Red Sox have to get Lowell signed or make a move for a third baseman. They can get Hank Blalock in a Crisp deal, but don't seem inclined, as of now. The Padres wouldn't discuss young third baseman Chase Headley for Crisp.

    Three different baseball people insisted that Tampa Bay rookie third baseman Evan Longoria will hit more than 30 homers next year based on what they saw in the Arizona Fall League.

    The Indians are only listening to offers for Cliff Lee, but right now they plan to keep him and go into spring training with seven starters, including Lee, Jeremy Sowers and Aaron Laffey.

    Some of the interesting names that came up during the GM meetings included A.J. Burnett (because he can opt out after the 2008 season), Ryan Freel, Jon Garland, Brian Fuentes, Dontrelle Willis, Noah Lowry, Ian Snell, Erik Bedard ("Hey, they didn't say no when we brought him up," says one baseball official), Joe Crede (the Johnny Damon talk doesn't go away), Troy Glaus and even Delmon Young, although it would take an offer that included someone like Hughes or Clay Buchholz to even begin discussions.

    The White Sox tried to interest Houston in a Ryan Sweeney-Chad Qualls deal before the 'Stros got Michael Bourn.

    Arizona is one of several teams that talked to Florida about Willis, but there is industry-wide concern about Dontrelle's ERA rising from 2.63 to 3.87 to 5.17 in three years, and right-handed hitters had a .913 OPS against him in 2007.

    Would the Yankees trade Phil Hughes in a deal for Johan Santana? If it were Hughes and Melky Cabrera, then they could sign Torii Hunter or Andruw Jones, and Santana would give the Yankees a great No. 1 starter. They would not trade Hughes in a deal for Jake Peavy, out of concern about the difference in lineups and ballparks between the NL West and AL East. Peavy got one out in the eighth inning the entire season.
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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    I didn't post all of them but I did post some including that note on my "Interesting notes" thread.

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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    In other surprising news water is wet!

    BTW thanks for posting article.

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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    I would be surprised if he is on any wish lists
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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    How about some Cliff Lee in a Reds uni?!?!

    I wouldn't wan't to give up a whole lot for him, which I am sure if Wayne made that call they would say something along the lines of "You really got a great player there in Brandon Phillips" trying to edge even more out of Wayne.

    Still is a nice thought.
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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    Quote Originally Posted by flyer85 View Post
    I would be surprised if he is on any wish lists
    True, unfortunately. His stock was at its highest a year and a half ago.

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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    I believe the White Sox might have an interest in Freel. He fits their mold and could replace Pablo Azuno. Perhaps he could net a reliever such as Ehren Wassermann.
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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    Rumor is the White Sox will make a major play to sign free agent Aaron Rowland.

    Freel? Little trade value right now because of his injury-par season last year.
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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    Personally I think Freel has no to negative trade value. His contract, injuries, age, etc. just dont add up to getting much back in return. If WK is able to rid the reds of Freel and his contract it may be a victory.

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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krusty View Post
    Freel? Little trade value right now because of his injury-par season last year.
    Agreed, and I wonder where he will find enough PT next season to get that trade value back up.
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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Agreed, and I wonder where he will find enough PT next season to get that trade value back up.
    I think he has a more trade value than a lot of folks suppose. Not a ton, but he sure isn't dead weight.
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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    I'm not sure why so many feel Josh Hamilton's long history of injuries and problems will net the Reds a Matt Garza while Freel, his injuries, and contract have absolutely no value. I believe Freel has value. Surely he doesn't have Hamilton's value, but he does have some skills and versatility that could help a team.
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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Agreed, and I wonder where he will find enough PT next season to get that trade value back up.
    There is something about Ryan Freel that managers, general managers, and fans love. It escapes me, but that aura of hustle and going all-out appeals to a lot of people. the trouble is, in the real world of baseball, it's more style than substance.

    For years, I've read how his career OBP is so good you have to bat him leadoff. Pete Macklanin himself said upon his hiring that he was going to find a way to play Freel everyday he was so important. I shook my head. I have no doubt if he isn't traded, that he'll have a good spring, win a job as the regular center fielder or third baseman, start out good, and then go through one of those 0-20 stretches. Dusty will keep him in the lineup somewhere and he'll have one of those 4-4 days, steal a few bases and make a few base running blunders, get hurt and be out awhile. But he'll return to the lineup at some point taking at-bats away from folks who really could help the club.

    I really believe that some club will want him based on the first part of this post. You won't get much for him, but I believe it's in the best interests of the Cincinnati Reds to get what you can and sever ties. I don't know what the folks are going to do with all those Freel jersies they have, but I imagine they'll get over it.

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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    There is something about Ryan Freel that managers, general managers, and fans love. It escapes me, but that aura of hustle and going all-out appeals to a lot of people. the trouble is, in the real world of baseball, it's more style than substance.
    Thats only in Cincinnati. Most teams are looking to win instead of looking to find the next Pete Rose.

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    Re: Gammons: The Reds are shopping Freel?

    Every team can use a player like Ryan Freel. I just don't think he is durable enough or consistent enough to be an everyday player for a full season. Used correctly, he is quite an asset, in Cincinnati or anywhere else.
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