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    The Reds protected list is out...

    ...and contains some interesting names. I believe this brings us to a full 40, no Rule 5 picks unless there is some movement. From Trent:

    The Reds today added to the 40-man roster RHP Richie Gardner, IF Paul Janish, LHP Tyler Pelland, RHP Ramon Ramirez, C Craig Tatum and RHP Daryl Thompson...today is the deadline for all 30 Major League Baseball teams to file their reserve lists for the upcoming Rule 5 Draft, scheduled for December 6 during the Winter Meetings in Nashville...any player eligible for the Rule 5 Draft who is not protected on a Major League 40-man roster may be selected by another team...eligibility for the draft depends on the player’s age during the signing season of his first contract...generally, players who sign at age 19 or older are under a club’s control for 4 seasons, while players who sign at age 18 or younger are under a club’s control for 5 seasons...after today’s deadline, no team can promote a minor league player to its 40-man roster until after the Rule 5 Draft, though it can remove a player from the roster to make room for a Rule 5 draft selection.

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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    Any glaring omissions?
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    While the roster's full, absent a trade, there are players that could be jettisoned without any great loss, or cost, to the club (e.g. Buck Coats, Jerry Gil).
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    I like the addition of Ramon Ramirez. I think he's a bullpen sleeper. Surprised to see Gardner here, but that could be a good sign that he's tracking back to being fully healthy.
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    I didn't realize adding Janish, Tatum, and Thompson was necessary. I was under the impression the player had to have been playing professionally for four years--not three-plus years.

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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    Is there a list of minor league FA from our system?
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    I can't see any reason to protect Buck Coats.

    Also, they protected Alex Smit IIRC. Who's he?
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    I can't see any reason to protect Buck Coats.

    Also, they protected Alex Smit IIRC. Who's he?
    That was my earlier point viz Coats. He could be jettisoned, for example, should a move require it.

    Smit is a 6'3" 22 year old leftie pitcher the Reds claimed off waivers from Minnesota last season. He's from the Netherlands and went 4-2 for us splitting time between Dayton & Sarasota. For Ft. Myers, he went 1-4.

    Another one of those waiver claims went about accumulating last year.
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    Dusty wouldn't swallow a Rule V guy on the ML roster... so a GM that cleaned up on Rule V left himself with no room to try Rule V

    it's like when Bowden used to overload his roster with OFers, which prevented him from using his talent to find good cheap OFers

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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    Unbelievable.. We are pulling a DanO again and ignoring Rule V.

    My theory is that a team should always go into the Rule V with 39 players unless they are so loaded that that losing that 40th player would be a loss. (Which certainly isn't the Reds case).

    Sure, most years where you get nothing out Rule V. But at least give yourself the flexiblity to try.

    I don't care what Dusty thinks. Make the pick. If the guy ends up getting cut in Spring Training, no big deal.
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    What makes it a given that there is anything doable for the Reds with Rule V this year? Just because it worked out last year they have to draft someone every year, esp. when the likes of Burton is the exception rather than the rule and Hamilton was a very rare exception?

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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    Unbelievable.. We are pulling a DanO again and ignoring Rule V.

    My theory is that a team should always go into the Rule V with 39 players unless they are so loaded that that losing that 40th player would be a loss. (Which certainly isn't the Reds case).

    Sure, most years where you get nothing out Rule V. But at least give yourself the flexiblity to try.

    I don't care what Dusty thinks. Make the pick. If the guy ends up getting cut in Spring Training, no big deal.
    If there's a player they really like they'll make room for him. Comparing this front office to DanO's on the Rule V draft -- following last year's haul of Hamilton and Burton -- swings and misses.
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    While the roster's full, absent a trade, there are players that could be jettisoned without any great loss, or cost, to the club (e.g. Buck Coats, Jerry Gil).
    While I agree w/respect to Coats, I think Gil is a pretty valuealble property still. He'll hit. It's a matter of can he play multiple positions or not.

    I didn't think Janish needed protection soon.

    I knew about Pelland and Gardner, but I'm a bit surprised the organization is sticking with them and letting the Lizard go.
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    Quote Originally Posted by dfs View Post
    While I agree w/respect to Coats, I think Gil is a pretty valuealble property still. He'll hit. It's a matter of can he play multiple positions or not.

    I didn't think Janish needed protection soon.

    I knew about Pelland and Gardner, but I'm a bit surprised the organization is sticking with them and letting the Lizard go.
    I just threw Gil out, as an example. It's unlikely that we'd do two Rule 5 guys again, so Coats looks like the place we could find room if needed.
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    Re: The Reds protected list is out...

    Quote Originally Posted by princeton View Post
    Dusty wouldn't swallow a Rule V guy on the ML roster... so a GM that cleaned up on Rule V left himself with no room to try Rule V
    I don't buy this for one minute. Why do we fix some part of past actions as fixed forever? Let's see what Dusty does with this team, not what he's done in two other very different situations.
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