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    BA Reds Top 10 Prospects

    1. Jay Bruce, of
    2. Homer Bailey, rhp
    3. Joey Votto, 1b/of
    4. Johnny Cueto, rhp
    5. Drew Stubbs, of
    6. Devin Mesoraco, c
    7. Todd Frazier, ss
    8. Juan Francisco, 3b
    9. Josh Roenicke, rhp
    10. Matt Maloney, lhp

    In hindsight, the Reds' success during the first part of the 2006 season was the worst thing that could have happened to them.

    A new ownership group led by Bob Castellini took over in January 2006 and hired Wayne Krivsky as general manager a month later. Krivsky quickly went to work fixing a roster with some clear deficiencies, swinging preseason deals for Bronson Arroyo, Brandon Phillips and David Ross. Those moves helped Cincinnati jump to a 17-8 start that put it atop the National League Central at the end of April, and it appeared that Krivsky had a Midas touch for talent acquisition.

    The reality was that the hot start was more a matter of luck than any actual improvement. The Reds were tied for first place in the division as late as Aug. 24, but they collapsed in September and have been trying to live up to unrealistic expectations ever since. Cincinnati finished fifth with a 72-90 record in 2007, and the rotation and bullpen are still as problematic as they were when Krivsky arrived.

    After 12 years without a playoff appearance, Reds fans are understandably restless for some signs of success. Krivsky is facing discontent even though the team is actually closer to contending for a prolonged period of time than it has been in years. A farm system that has produced very little over the past decade has four top prospects ready to contribute.

    Outfielder Jay Bruce became the first Cincinnati prospect to win Baseball America's Minor League Player of the Year award. He and first baseman Joey Votto should take up residence in the heart of the Reds' batting order in the very near future, while Homer Bailey and Johnny Cueto are the organization's best pair of pitching prospects in several decades.

    Behind them, Cincinnati has more depth in its system than it has had in recent years especially at third base, in the outfield and in the bullpen.

    When the Reds' Fab Four make it to the big leagues, they'll join a club that has succeeded in turning other team's castoffs into solid regulars. Picking up Phillips for righthander Jeff Stevens was a masterstroke, as the young second baseman finally realized his considerable promise with a 30-30 season in 2007.

    Cincinnati also poached former No. 1 overall pick Josh Hamilton from the Devil Rays via the major league Rule 5 draft at the 2006 Winter Meetings. Hamilton became one of the stories of the 2007 season with his amazing return from a nearly four-year layoff because of drug suspensions. Another Rule 5 pickup, Jared Burton, has become one of the club's most reliable relievers.

    If there's a negative to the resurgence of the Reds system, it's that many of the people involved in the long-awaited turnaround are no longer with the team as Krivsky has put his stamp on the organization.

    Johnny Almaraz, who signed Cueto and served as the team's farm director and international scouting director, quit after the 2006 season because he was unhappy with Krivsky. Assistant farm director Grant Griesser, field coordinator Tim Naehring, roving coordinator Rick Burleson, roving hitting instructor Jim Hickman, base-running coordinator Lynn Jones and Double-A Chattanooga manager Jayhawk Owens all were fired at the end of the 2007 season.

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    Re: BA Reds Top 10 Prospects

    No love for Dorn.

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    Re: BA Reds Top 10 Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by pahster View Post
    No love for Dorn.
    or Travis Wood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    or Travis Wood.
    I didn't think either of them would make it. Not that I agree with it exactly, although Dorn didn't make my top 10 either.

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    Re: BA Reds Top 10 Prospects

    Mine would have gone like this:

    1. Bruce
    2. Bailey
    3. Cueto
    4. Votto
    5. Frazier
    6. Roenicke
    7. Maloney
    8. Wood
    9. Stubbs
    10. Dorn
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    Just don't get the love for Maloney.... unless he has his fastball in the 90s now, I don't get the love for him. A sinker ball guy who allows a ton more fly balls than ground balls just worries me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Just don't get the love for Maloney.... unless he has his fastball in the 90s now, I don't get the love for him. A sinker ball guy who allows a ton more fly balls than ground balls just worries me.
    Well, he struck out 62 guys in 45 innings after he was traded to the Reds, including 23 in 17 innings at AAA. His GO/AO ratio was .9 last season, and 1.1 the season before. Anyway, if he strikes peoople out, that number won't be so important. The only down side to the guy's numbers is the HR total, which went up a lot after he became Reds property.

    His performance is good enough to be at least in the Top 10.

    Roenicke is the one that I don't understand. Unless he's absolutely incredible, which I guess could be true, I don't think a reliever should be a top 10 prospect. I might have taken any number of guys ahead of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    Well, he struck out 62 guys in 45 innings after he was traded to the Reds, including 23 in 17 innings at AAA. His GO/AO ratio was .9 last season, and 1.1 the season before. Anyway, if he strikes peoople out, that number won't be so important. The only down side to the guy's numbers is the HR total, which went up a lot after he became Reds property.
    I don't put much stock into ground out and air out ratio, becuase those are just balls turned into outs. This season he allowed 58% of the balls in play in the air.

    His performance is good enough to be at least in the Top 10.

    Roenicke is the one that I don't understand. Unless he's absolutely incredible, which I guess could be true, I don't think a reliever should be a top 10 prospect. I might have taken any number of guys ahead of him.
    Well given his added velocity on his fastball I would rank Maloney quite a bit higher than I orginally had him.

    Roenicke though has the potential to be a closer at the major league level.

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    Re: BA Reds Top 10 Prospects

    BA almost always honors rcent first rounders -- thus the love for Stubbs and Mesoraco. Not a surprise at all.

    I encourage folks to go to the BA site and ask questions for today's chat about the Reds system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    BA almost always honors rcent first rounders -- thus the love for Stubbs and Mesoraco. Not a surprise at all.

    I encourage folks to go to the BA site and ask questions for today's chat about the Reds system.
    You have to have a subscription to do so, so I am not sure there are a ton of guys on here that could do that. I wish they had smaller subscriptions available to purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    You have to have a subscription to do so, so I am not sure there are a ton of guys on here that could do that. I wish they had smaller subscriptions available to purchase.
    They have a six month subscription. http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/subscribe/404.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoydsOfSummer View Post
    Yeah.... $45 is a lot right now. If they had like a 3 month thing for like $25 I would be much more interested, but I plan on getting the prospect handbook so dropping $45 right now for information that I will be buying later in the year just to get it a little early doesn't seem to work for me right now. I think BA has stuff worth reading, but most of it comes between October and February and the stuff in between is usually information you can find elsewhere. Maybe I am just too tight with my money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    BA almost always honors rcent first rounders -- thus the love for Stubbs and Mesoraco. Not a surprise at all.
    Yeah, it's almost like they're too lazy to really dig deep. Just pencil in whatever high draft pick from the year before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Yeah, it's almost like they're too lazy to really dig deep. Just pencil in whatever high draft pick from the year before.
    Or because those players for the most part have higher upsides and better skills....

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    Or because those players for the most part have higher upsides and better skills....
    I think that's partly true, but I also think that BA is an industry insider that wants to maintain good relationships within the game. Blasting teams' 1st round choices would not accomplish that.
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