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    It may be too much money but at least Cordero is a dominant closer. I would love to have him. Cordero, Weathers, and Burton at the back of the bullpen forms the makings of a very solid bullpen. Throw in Brad Salmon, Coutlangus, Bray, and maybe Pelland or Ramon Ramirez and this bullpen could be pretty good.

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    Re: Reds after Cordero

    Overpaying for good talent is better than paying market value for marginal talent. Thats a lot of money to spend on a reliever, but if you are going to spend lots of money, spend it on good talent.

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    As long as the money isn't absolutely absurd, which I doubt it will be, I'm pretty much all for it.

    Cordero strikes out a ton of guys, is incredibly stingy with the home run, and recently began dropping his walk rate. His lifetime 146 ERA+ is a pretty good indicator of the quality pitcher he is, and he'd be a major asset to the bullpen.

    Though I will warn everyone that Cordero alone will not fix this mess; it's too big for one player to fix. The Reds will either need to target at least one other solid reliever, or they're going to need multiple young guys like Burton and others to also heavily rely upon. It'd also be high time to show an old stiff like Mike Stanton the curb and to tell him not to let the door hit himself on the way out.
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    Re: Reds after Cordero

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    As long as the money isn't absolutely absurd, which I doubt it will be, I'm pretty much all for it.

    Cordero strikes out a ton of guys, is incredibly stingy with the home run, and recently began dropping his walk rate. His lifetime 146 ERA+ is a pretty good indicator of the quality pitcher he is, and he'd be a major asset to the bullpen.

    Though I will warn everyone that Cordero alone will not fix this mess; it's too big for one player to fix. The Reds will either need to target at least one other solid reliever, or they're going to need multiple young guys like Burton and others to also heavily rely upon. It'd also be high time to show an old stiff like Mike Stanton the curb and to tell him not to let the door hit himself on the way out.
    Yes. My fear is that the Reds will sign him (or some other "closer") and declare that the bullpen is fixed and that the winning shall henceforth begin. But Chip is right, a reliever as good as Cordero could always be traded.

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    Sign him, push Weathers to RH setup, Bray probably LH setup, that instantly makes the BP better.

    As for salary, you can't have it both ways, you can't lament for FA talent in a weak market and then lament the dollars if they pursue somebody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    probably not in free agency though.
    Why does it have to be through free agency? Money is money--whether it's a trade and extend or FA pickup. It all spends the same.

    I'd rather gamble on an up-and-coming starter (again, I point to Wayne's own acquisition of Arroyo) than shell out that kind of coin to a guy who throws 60 innings a year.

    This team has a TON of innings to fill next season. If I'm going to spend $13 million a season, I'd like it to represent something bigger than 2% of the total innings thrown.

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    I hope Wayne is on the phone with Bean Stringfellow right now.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    The money mentioned is already absurb. This will be a mistake if Reds sign him for 10 million a year.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Another problem with this deal is that you can bet your arse that this would be the only payroll increase we'd see. There would be no other payroll bumps beyond this. And as Cyclone said, this move represents very little by way of a real fix to this team's woes. They've still got to fix the defense and find at least one more starter. Where is that money going to come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Why does it have to be through free agency? Money is money--whether it's a trade and extend or FA pickup. It all spends the same.

    I'd rather gamble on an up-and-coming starter (again, I point to Wayne's own acquisition of Arroyo) than shell out that kind of coin to a guy who throws 60 innings a year.

    This team has a TON of innings to fill next season. If I'm going to spend $13 million a season, I'd like it to represent something bigger than 2% of the total innings thrown.
    understood, but there's also a value in not losing whoever they'd have to trade to get a decent starter.
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    There's also a value in stealing him from the Brewers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    If Cordero were signed, as long as he's effective, he could be dealt if someone like Burton emerges as a dominant setup man. Teams are always looking for releif help - especially at the trade deadline.
    This is very true. As others have said, it can deepen and strengthen the pen by pushing others down a notch.

    Another angle might be that the Reds continue to pursue depth for the pen (I like Wood and Percival for the right deals) and with the 9th inning no longer a question, start shopping Weathers. He's making a relatively cheap $3 Million and coming off of a career year (one he isn't likely to repeat IMO). His value could be through the roof and he may enable the Reds to acquire some younger high ceiling talent that could be around for many years.

    I'm encouraged that the Reds are the front runner and hope this happens. I know some are skeptical of Cordero, but if you are going to spend money in an attempt to contend, it may as well be on some one who is supposed to be an impact guy at an area of need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    There's also a value in stealing him from the Brewers
    True, but the Brewers all of sudden look incredibly weak from a pitching standpoint. I'm not particularly worried about them.

    Still have to point to Chicago and St. Louis as the dangerous teams in the division right now.

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    Re: Reds after Cordero

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Another problem with this deal is that you can bet your arse that this would be the only payroll increase we'd see. There would be no other payroll bumps beyond this. And as Cyclone said, this move represents very little by way of a real fix to this team's woes. They've still got to fix the defense and find at least one more starter. Where is that money going to come from?

    the money's there. we're the ones creating the artificial payroll ceiling with our own perception.
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