As long as the money is not that absurd, this is something you have to be in favor of. Getting a shut down closer would set up the bullpen so nicely. Bray as the lefty/6 inning guy, Burton in the 7th, Weathers in the 8th, Cordero in the 9th. The bullpen is so much easier to set up when you know you have a shut down guy behind it. He may cost alot of money, but the bullpen is bad and he would be an upgrade.
Get Cordero, go out at trade or sign for a starting pitcher, and you take a huge step toward competing in the central.
When I first read the opening post, I thought the Reds were talking 4 years, $42 million. But now I just realized that those figures were what Milwaukee offered him.
Wow...I really hope this isn't the only move, as that's a lot of green to throw at a closer.
To me, money like that for a closer should be for contending teams. You don't need a closer when you don't have a lead. Hopefully this isn't it, if it happens at all.
My overall take on the Cordero deal is that I'm fine with it if it's just the bellwether move. However, if it's the sum total, it's a horrible, horrible deal. Because it means the team has maxed itself out on a reliever.
Do you need one when you are 29th out of 30 teams in save percentage?You don't need a closer when you don't have a lead.
The Reds were way at the bottomg of the league in save percentage last year because of all the blown leads by the bullpen in the middle innings.
Still and all, I seriously doubt this deal goes down. That would be an uprecedented figure for the Reds to throw at a pitcher, much less a reliever. And the Reds aren't about the breaking of precedent.
Last edited by Falls City Beer; 11-23-2007 at 01:56 PM.
I'd like it if the Reds signed Cordero.
Sure, all relief pitchers are risky.
10 million/year isn't too much, when put in perspective.. I mean, Stanton and Weathers combine for around 6-7 million next year, and they are a much bigger crapshoot.
My main beef with the Reds' FA signings last year is that they spent all their money on spare parts, as opposed to guys that could actually make a difference. IMO, Cordero is a guy that could actually make a difference.
Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
I like this move if it is paired with another mover for a starter. I dont think spending$10M on a closer when you don't have the other pieces to compete is wise. However, get another legitimate starter and you go along way towards competing.
Nothing to see here. Please disperse.
Sign Cordero and then pull off a Hamilton-for-Garza type trade and this team could be ready to win the NL Central.
Here's rotoworld's take on it:
The Reds are involved in serious talks with free agent Francisco Cordero, FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reports.
Spending 15 percent of the team's budget on a guy who will throw five percent of the innings hardly seems like a good idea, but the Reds do need the relief help, possibly even more than they could use another starter. Cordero is likely to command a four-year deal in excess of $40 million. The Brewers are already in that territory, Rosenthal says.
"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
To me the likelihood of a Hamilton for Garza deal is roughly nil. My guess is it would take EdE, Hamilton, and a minor prospect.
Write the check. This allows you to rid yourself of your worst bullpen arm. Seems like it upgrades every spot in the pen by moving everyone down one spot.
Last edited by Crosley68; 11-23-2007 at 02:08 PM. Reason: spelling
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