Turn Off Ads?
Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 79

Thread: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

  1. #31
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Blue Ash
    Posts
    2,616

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    If the asking price for Bedard, Kazmir, and Peavy is too high.......the Reds could always go to those same teams second best starting pitcher and try and pry them away with a Hamilton plus offer. All stats listed are for 2007. Keep in mind, the goal is a #2 or #3 starter. Some of these guys are clearly #2's and some are #3's. What I like about most of them is that their numbers are already decent and their still young.

    Such as instead of Baltimore's Bedard, ask about 28 year old Jeremy Guthrie (7-5, 175 IP, 165 Hits allowed, 123 K's, 3.70 era, 1.21 WHIP, .249 BAA).

    Or instead of Kazmir from the Rays, ask about 26 year old James Shields (12-8, 215 IP, 202 Hits, 184 K's, 3.85 era, 1.11 WHIP, .247 BAA).

    Or instead of Peavy from the Padres, ask about 28 year old Chris Young (9-8, 173 IP, 118 Hits, 167 K's, 3.12 era, 1.10 WHIP, .192 BAA).

    Or go to KC who needs everything to turn their team around and try and pry one of their 3 starters away - 29 year old Gil Meche (9-13, 216 IP, 218 Hits, 156 K's, 3.67 era, 1.30 WHIP, .263 BAA) or 24 year old Zach Greinke (7-7, 122 IP, 122 Hits, 3.69 era, 1.30 WHIP, .265 BAA) or 26 year old Brian Bannister (14-10, 203 IP, 190 Hits, 96 K's, 3.95 era, 1.26 WHIP, .247 BAA).

    Or go to last place finishers San Francisco and try and pry 23 year old Matt Cain away (7-16, 200 IP, 173 Hits, 163 K's, 3.65 era, 1.26 WHIP, .235 BAA).

    I could go on and on. But their are alot of #1 or #2 starters on bad teams that my be swapped for less of a blockbuster deal where we don't have to give up everything to get them.

    Just my opinion. Solidying the middle of the starting rotation and then allowing our young guys to fill the last 2 slots, would help tremendously.
    Who's on first?

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #32
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    515

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    ^ Good Point... I think "Hamilton +" lands a Bedard/Kazmir type though, if that doesn't happen... You hold onto Hamilton. Buy a stop-gap and then buy a longer-term fix in 2009 (Derek Lowe) and see what happens w/ Belisle/Bailey/Cueto...

  4. #33
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    515

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    If the asking price for Bedard, Kazmir, and Peavy is too high.......the Reds could always go to those same teams second best starting pitcher and try and pry them away with a Hamilton plus offer. All stats listed are for 2007. Keep in mind, the goal is a #2 or #3 starter. Some of these guys are clearly #2's and some are #3's. What I like about most of them is that their numbers are already decent and their still young.

    Such as instead of Baltimore's Bedard, ask about 28 year old Jeremy Guthrie (7-5, 175 IP, 165 Hits allowed, 123 K's, 3.70 era, 1.21 WHIP, .249 BAA).

    Or instead of Kazmir from the Rays, ask about 26 year old James Shields (12-8, 215 IP, 202 Hits, 184 K's, 3.85 era, 1.11 WHIP, .247 BAA).

    Or instead of Peavy from the Padres, ask about 28 year old Chris Young (9-8, 173 IP, 118 Hits, 167 K's, 3.12 era, 1.10 WHIP, .192 BAA).

    Or go to KC who needs everything to turn their team around and try and pry one of their 3 starters away - 29 year old Gil Meche (9-13, 216 IP, 218 Hits, 156 K's, 3.67 era, 1.30 WHIP, .263 BAA) or 24 year old Zach Greinke (7-7, 122 IP, 122 Hits, 3.69 era, 1.30 WHIP, .265 BAA) or 26 year old Brian Bannister (14-10, 203 IP, 190 Hits, 96 K's, 3.95 era, 1.26 WHIP, .247 BAA).

    Or go to last place finishers San Francisco and try and pry 23 year old Matt Cain away (7-16, 200 IP, 173 Hits, 163 K's, 3.65 era, 1.26 WHIP, .235 BAA).

    I could go on and on. But their are alot of #1 or #2 starters on bad teams that my be swapped for less of a blockbuster deal where we don't have to give up everything to get them.

    Just my opinion. Solidying the middle of the starting rotation and then allowing our young guys to fill the last 2 slots, would help tremendously.
    I know I've already commented on this, but I think it's worth another, because its a brilliant post. Some mornings I wake up w/ a terrible dread that I'm going to turn on the computer and learn that WK has traded Hamilton for a middle reliever or something equally awful.... but other mornings, like today, I wake up thinking that WK is totally going to pull off another "Pena for Arroyo" type deal and these #2/#3 guys are exactly the type that we might score. Could we land one of these guys for a deal centering around Votto or around EdE... ?

  5. #34
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Blue Ash
    Posts
    2,616

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    Quote Originally Posted by hippie07 View Post
    I know I've already commented on this, but I think it's worth another, because its a brilliant post. Some mornings I wake up w/ a terrible dread that I'm going to turn on the computer and learn that WK has traded Hamilton for a middle reliever or something equally awful.... but other mornings, like today, I wake up thinking that WK is totally going to pull off another "Pena for Arroyo" type deal and these #2/#3 guys are exactly the type that we might score. Could we land one of these guys for a deal centering around Votto or around EdE... ?

    Thanks.
    Who's on first?

  6. #35
    Crosley Field Fan
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    79

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    To the question...a RH bat & a starter

  7. #36
    Start the Reactor! *BaseClogger*'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Midland, MI
    Posts
    6,411

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    If they want to deal James Shields, I'd do it in a heatbeat... I don't think we can afford to pick up Gill Meche though...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

  8. #37
    Battle Toad Historian thatcoolguy_22's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    in tornado alley
    Posts
    1,756

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    If the asking price for Bedard, Kazmir, and Peavy is too high.......the Reds could always go to those same teams second best starting pitcher and try and pry them away with a Hamilton plus offer. All stats listed are for 2007. Keep in mind, the goal is a #2 or #3 starter. Some of these guys are clearly #2's and some are #3's. What I like about most of them is that their numbers are already decent and their still young.

    Such as instead of Baltimore's Bedard, ask about 28 year old Jeremy Guthrie (7-5, 175 IP, 165 Hits allowed, 123 K's, 3.70 era, 1.21 WHIP, .249 BAA).

    Or instead of Kazmir from the Rays, ask about 26 year old James Shields (12-8, 215 IP, 202 Hits, 184 K's, 3.85 era, 1.11 WHIP, .247 BAA).

    Or instead of Peavy from the Padres, ask about 28 year old Chris Young (9-8, 173 IP, 118 Hits, 167 K's, 3.12 era, 1.10 WHIP, .192 BAA).

    Or go to KC who needs everything to turn their team around and try and pry one of their 3 starters away - 29 year old Gil Meche (9-13, 216 IP, 218 Hits, 156 K's, 3.67 era, 1.30 WHIP, .263 BAA) or 24 year old Zach Greinke (7-7, 122 IP, 122 Hits, 3.69 era, 1.30 WHIP, .265 BAA) or 26 year old Brian Bannister (14-10, 203 IP, 190 Hits, 96 K's, 3.95 era, 1.26 WHIP, .247 BAA).

    Or go to last place finishers San Francisco and try and pry 23 year old Matt Cain away (7-16, 200 IP, 173 Hits, 163 K's, 3.65 era, 1.26 WHIP, .235 BAA).

    I could go on and on. But their are alot of #1 or #2 starters on bad teams that my be swapped for less of a blockbuster deal where we don't have to give up everything to get them.

    Just my opinion. Solidying the middle of the starting rotation and then allowing our young guys to fill the last 2 slots, would help tremendously.
    Great post


    I agree with the basic concept however if we are to part with one of the big 4 or Hamilton I would like to have better than a 10million per year gil meche... It shouldn't be trading just for pure numbers. Potential, contract, and age should be key factors...

    I would love to see the redlegs pick up Guthrie or Greinke. I think to get Greinke we could package together a few of our "B" prospects. Maybe a Lotzkar, Frazier, and a Maloney. I know that deal is wishful thinking but remove a Lotzkar or Frazier and add in a Jorge Cantu or Ryan Freel... It is just a jumping off point but it could be worked IMO.
    "Last week I helped my friend stay put. It's a lot easier'n helpin' 'em move. I just went over to his house and made sure that he did not start to load **** into a truck."

  9. #38
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Midland Texas
    Posts
    553

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfan08 View Post
    get Paul lo Duca
    I don't believe the hype on LoDuca

  10. #39
    Member 757690's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Dayton
    Posts
    9,922

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    The thing about acquiring Santana is that any new team will have to pay him at least a 6 year $150M contract to keep him, according to Buster Olney. He gets $13.5M next year, so I really can't see the Reds willing to take on that much money for that many years, even for Santana.

  11. #40
    Start the Reactor! *BaseClogger*'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Midland, MI
    Posts
    6,411

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    The thing about acquiring Santana is that any new team will have to pay him at least a 6 year $150M contract to keep him, according to Buster Olney. He gets $13.5M next year, so I really can't see the Reds willing to take on that much money for that many years, even for Santana.
    exactly why I would rather have Ian Snell. Cheap for severall more years and a much lower asking price...
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

  12. #41
    Viva la Rolen kaldaniels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    7,849

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    Quote Originally Posted by AmarilloRed View Post
    From there, Heyman lists the teams we've all heard a thousand times as suitors for Santana: Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers. And he also lists their trade chips, which we've also heard plenty of times before.

    My take is that the Twins won't accept anything less than two elite prospects and another one or two slightly lesser, but still high-profile talents. The teams with the best hitters might win out, since the Twins are stocked with pitching.

    We simply are not one of the teams that could land Santana. He will go to a team with a really big market who can afford him, and has enough elite and high-profile position prospects. I think it is more likely that Krivsky manages to pull a trade for a Snell or a Garza starting pitcher.
    I think we were talkin Ervin...

  13. #42
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Amarillo,Texas
    Posts
    4,344

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    We try and pick up a good starting pitcher, preferably by trade.
    Last edited by AmarilloRed; 11-25-2007 at 12:47 AM.

  14. #43
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    2,189

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    Id like Willis but too hell with what hes going to require in a trade.

    I just like his approach to the game and from all accounts hes a great club house guy.

  15. #44
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Blue Ash
    Posts
    2,616

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    I just think there are alot of #2's out there that could be had for the right reasonable price if Hamilton is included in the deal.
    Who's on first?

  16. #45
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    indianapolis, IN
    Posts
    3,604

    Re: What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    If the asking price for Bedard, Kazmir, and Peavy is too high.......the Reds could always go to those same teams second best starting pitcher and try and pry them away with a Hamilton plus offer. All stats listed are for 2007. Keep in mind, the goal is a #2 or #3 starter. Some of these guys are clearly #2's and some are #3's. What I like about most of them is that their numbers are already decent and their still young.

    Such as instead of Baltimore's Bedard, ask about 28 year old Jeremy Guthrie (7-5, 175 IP, 165 Hits allowed, 123 K's, 3.70 era, 1.21 WHIP, .249 BAA).

    Or instead of Kazmir from the Rays, ask about 26 year old James Shields (12-8, 215 IP, 202 Hits, 184 K's, 3.85 era, 1.11 WHIP, .247 BAA).

    Or instead of Peavy from the Padres, ask about 28 year old Chris Young (9-8, 173 IP, 118 Hits, 167 K's, 3.12 era, 1.10 WHIP, .192 BAA).

    Or go to KC who needs everything to turn their team around and try and pry one of their 3 starters away - 29 year old Gil Meche (9-13, 216 IP, 218 Hits, 156 K's, 3.67 era, 1.30 WHIP, .263 BAA) or 24 year old Zach Greinke (7-7, 122 IP, 122 Hits, 3.69 era, 1.30 WHIP, .265 BAA) or 26 year old Brian Bannister (14-10, 203 IP, 190 Hits, 96 K's, 3.95 era, 1.26 WHIP, .247 BAA).

    Or go to last place finishers San Francisco and try and pry 23 year old Matt Cain away (7-16, 200 IP, 173 Hits, 163 K's, 3.65 era, 1.26 WHIP, .235 BAA).

    I could go on and on. But their are alot of #1 or #2 starters on bad teams that my be swapped for less of a blockbuster deal where we don't have to give up everything to get them.

    Just my opinion. Solidying the middle of the starting rotation and then allowing our young guys to fill the last 2 slots, would help tremendously.
    Why would lost place teams want to trade their best young and cheap pitchers? The Rays are talking about Kazmir because they dont want to pay him. I think the Reds should maybe go after a guy like Scott Olsen from the Marlins, I think Hamilton would be enough to pry him away. The guy is a talent and has burned some bridges in Florida and is ripe for a new start and I think could flourish here.
    I was in the ORG once, best 6 months of my life.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25