What does Wayne Krivsky do next????

[ChatterRed]

If the asking price for Bedard, Kazmir, and Peavy is too high.......the Reds could always go to those same teams second best starting pitcher and try and pry them away with a Hamilton plus offer. All stats listed are for 2007. Keep in mind, the goal is a #2 or #3 starter. Some of these guys are clearly #2's and some are #3's. What I like about most of them is that their numbers are already decent and their still young.

Such as instead of Baltimore's Bedard, ask about 28 year old Jeremy Guthrie (7-5, 175 IP, 165 Hits allowed, 123 K's, 3.70 era, 1.21 WHIP, .249 BAA).

Or instead of Kazmir from the Rays, ask about 26 year old James Shields (12-8, 215 IP, 202 Hits, 184 K's, 3.85 era, 1.11 WHIP, .247 BAA).

Or instead of Peavy from the Padres, ask about 28 year old Chris Young (9-8, 173 IP, 118 Hits, 167 K's, 3.12 era, 1.10 WHIP, .192 BAA).

Or go to KC who needs everything to turn their team around and try and pry one of their 3 starters away - 29 year old Gil Meche (9-13, 216 IP, 218 Hits, 156 K's, 3.67 era, 1.30 WHIP, .263 BAA) or 24 year old Zach Greinke (7-7, 122 IP, 122 Hits, 3.69 era, 1.30 WHIP, .265 BAA) or 26 year old Brian Bannister (14-10, 203 IP, 190 Hits, 96 K's, 3.95 era, 1.26 WHIP, .247 BAA).

Or go to last place finishers San Francisco and try and pry 23 year old Matt Cain away (7-16, 200 IP, 173 Hits, 163 K's, 3.65 era, 1.26 WHIP, .235 BAA).

I could go on and on. But their are alot of #1 or #2 starters on bad teams that my be swapped for less of a blockbuster deal where we don't have to give up everything to get them.

Just my opinion. Solidying the middle of the starting rotation and then allowing our young guys to fill the last 2 slots, would help tremendously.

[hippie07]

^ Good Point... I think "Hamilton +" lands a Bedard/Kazmir type though, if that doesn't happen... You hold onto Hamilton. Buy a stop-gap and then buy a longer-term fix in 2009 (Derek Lowe) and see what happens w/ Belisle/Bailey/Cueto...

[hippie07]

If the asking price for Bedard, Kazmir, and Peavy is too high.......the Reds could always go to those same teams second best starting pitcher and try and pry them away with a Hamilton plus offer. All stats listed are for 2007. Keep in mind, the goal is a #2 or #3 starter. Some of these guys are clearly #2's and some are #3's. What I like about most of them is that their numbers are already decent and their still young.

Such as instead of Baltimore's Bedard, ask about 28 year old Jeremy Guthrie (7-5, 175 IP, 165 Hits allowed, 123 K's, 3.70 era, 1.21 WHIP, .249 BAA).

Or instead of Kazmir from the Rays, ask about 26 year old James Shields (12-8, 215 IP, 202 Hits, 184 K's, 3.85 era, 1.11 WHIP, .247 BAA).

Or instead of Peavy from the Padres, ask about 28 year old Chris Young (9-8, 173 IP, 118 Hits, 167 K's, 3.12 era, 1.10 WHIP, .192 BAA).

Or go to KC who needs everything to turn their team around and try and pry one of their 3 starters away - 29 year old Gil Meche (9-13, 216 IP, 218 Hits, 156 K's, 3.67 era, 1.30 WHIP, .263 BAA) or 24 year old Zach Greinke (7-7, 122 IP, 122 Hits, 3.69 era, 1.30 WHIP, .265 BAA) or 26 year old Brian Bannister (14-10, 203 IP, 190 Hits, 96 K's, 3.95 era, 1.26 WHIP, .247 BAA).

Or go to last place finishers San Francisco and try and pry 23 year old Matt Cain away (7-16, 200 IP, 173 Hits, 163 K's, 3.65 era, 1.26 WHIP, .235 BAA).

I could go on and on. But their are alot of #1 or #2 starters on bad teams that my be swapped for less of a blockbuster deal where we don't have to give up everything to get them.

Just my opinion. Solidying the middle of the starting rotation and then allowing our young guys to fill the last 2 slots, would help tremendously.

I know I've already commented on this, but I think it's worth another, because its a brilliant post. Some mornings I wake up w/ a terrible dread that I'm going to turn on the computer and learn that WK has traded Hamilton for a middle reliever or something equally awful.... but other mornings, like today, I wake up thinking that WK is totally going to pull off another "Pena for Arroyo" type deal and these #2/#3 guys are exactly the type that we might score. Could we land one of these guys for a deal centering around Votto or around EdE... ?

[ChatterRed]

I know I've already commented on this, but I think it's worth another, because its a brilliant post. Some mornings I wake up w/ a terrible dread that I'm going to turn on the computer and learn that WK has traded Hamilton for a middle reliever or something equally awful.... but other mornings, like today, I wake up thinking that WK is totally going to pull off another "Pena for Arroyo" type deal and these #2/#3 guys are exactly the type that we might score. Could we land one of these guys for a deal centering around Votto or around EdE... ?

Thanks.

[Strider]

To the question...a RH bat & a starter

[*BaseClogger*]

If they want to deal James Shields, I'd do it in a heatbeat... I don't think we can afford to pick up Gill Meche though...

[thatcoolguy_22]

If the asking price for Bedard, Kazmir, and Peavy is too high.......the Reds could always go to those same teams second best starting pitcher and try and pry them away with a Hamilton plus offer. All stats listed are for 2007. Keep in mind, the goal is a #2 or #3 starter. Some of these guys are clearly #2's and some are #3's. What I like about most of them is that their numbers are already decent and their still young.

Such as instead of Baltimore's Bedard, ask about 28 year old Jeremy Guthrie (7-5, 175 IP, 165 Hits allowed, 123 K's, 3.70 era, 1.21 WHIP, .249 BAA).

Or instead of Kazmir from the Rays, ask about 26 year old James Shields (12-8, 215 IP, 202 Hits, 184 K's, 3.85 era, 1.11 WHIP, .247 BAA).

Or instead of Peavy from the Padres, ask about 28 year old Chris Young (9-8, 173 IP, 118 Hits, 167 K's, 3.12 era, 1.10 WHIP, .192 BAA).

Or go to KC who needs everything to turn their team around and try and pry one of their 3 starters away - 29 year old Gil Meche (9-13, 216 IP, 218 Hits, 156 K's, 3.67 era, 1.30 WHIP, .263 BAA) or 24 year old Zach Greinke (7-7, 122 IP, 122 Hits, 3.69 era, 1.30 WHIP, .265 BAA) or 26 year old Brian Bannister (14-10, 203 IP, 190 Hits, 96 K's, 3.95 era, 1.26 WHIP, .247 BAA).

Or go to last place finishers San Francisco and try and pry 23 year old Matt Cain away (7-16, 200 IP, 173 Hits, 163 K's, 3.65 era, 1.26 WHIP, .235 BAA).

I could go on and on. But their are alot of #1 or #2 starters on bad teams that my be swapped for less of a blockbuster deal where we don't have to give up everything to get them.

Just my opinion. Solidying the middle of the starting rotation and then allowing our young guys to fill the last 2 slots, would help tremendously.

Great post


I agree with the basic concept however if we are to part with one of the big 4 or Hamilton I would like to have better than a 10million per year gil meche... It shouldn't be trading just for pure numbers. Potential, contract, and age should be key factors...

I would love to see the redlegs pick up Guthrie or Greinke. I think to get Greinke we could package together a few of our "B" prospects. Maybe a Lotzkar, Frazier, and a Maloney. I know that deal is wishful thinking but remove a Lotzkar or Frazier and add in a Jorge Cantu or Ryan Freel... It is just a jumping off point but it could be worked IMO.

[Hey Meat]

get Paul lo Duca

I don't believe the hype on LoDuca

[757690]

The thing about acquiring Santana is that any new team will have to pay him at least a 6 year $150M contract to keep him, according to Buster Olney. He gets $13.5M next year, so I really can't see the Reds willing to take on that much money for that many years, even for Santana.

[*BaseClogger*]

The thing about acquiring Santana is that any new team will have to pay him at least a 6 year $150M contract to keep him, according to Buster Olney. He gets $13.5M next year, so I really can't see the Reds willing to take on that much money for that many years, even for Santana.

exactly why I would rather have Ian Snell. Cheap for severall more years and a much lower asking price...

[kaldaniels]

From there, Heyman lists the teams we've all heard a thousand times as suitors for Santana: Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers. And he also lists their trade chips, which we've also heard plenty of times before.

My take is that the Twins won't accept anything less than two elite prospects and another one or two slightly lesser, but still high-profile talents. The teams with the best hitters might win out, since the Twins are stocked with pitching.

We simply are not one of the teams that could land Santana. He will go to a team with a really big market who can afford him, and has enough elite and high-profile position prospects. I think it is more likely that Krivsky manages to pull a trade for a Snell or a Garza starting pitcher.

I think we were talkin Ervin...

[AmarilloRed]

We try and pick up a good starting pitcher, preferably by trade.

[Bip Roberts]

Id like Willis but too hell with what hes going to require in a trade.

I just like his approach to the game and from all accounts hes a great club house guy.

[ChatterRed]

I just think there are alot of #2's out there that could be had for the right reasonable price if Hamilton is included in the deal.

[redsfanmia]

If the asking price for Bedard, Kazmir, and Peavy is too high.......the Reds could always go to those same teams second best starting pitcher and try and pry them away with a Hamilton plus offer. All stats listed are for 2007. Keep in mind, the goal is a #2 or #3 starter. Some of these guys are clearly #2's and some are #3's. What I like about most of them is that their numbers are already decent and their still young.

Such as instead of Baltimore's Bedard, ask about 28 year old Jeremy Guthrie (7-5, 175 IP, 165 Hits allowed, 123 K's, 3.70 era, 1.21 WHIP, .249 BAA).

Or instead of Kazmir from the Rays, ask about 26 year old James Shields (12-8, 215 IP, 202 Hits, 184 K's, 3.85 era, 1.11 WHIP, .247 BAA).

Or instead of Peavy from the Padres, ask about 28 year old Chris Young (9-8, 173 IP, 118 Hits, 167 K's, 3.12 era, 1.10 WHIP, .192 BAA).

Or go to KC who needs everything to turn their team around and try and pry one of their 3 starters away - 29 year old Gil Meche (9-13, 216 IP, 218 Hits, 156 K's, 3.67 era, 1.30 WHIP, .263 BAA) or 24 year old Zach Greinke (7-7, 122 IP, 122 Hits, 3.69 era, 1.30 WHIP, .265 BAA) or 26 year old Brian Bannister (14-10, 203 IP, 190 Hits, 96 K's, 3.95 era, 1.26 WHIP, .247 BAA).

Or go to last place finishers San Francisco and try and pry 23 year old Matt Cain away (7-16, 200 IP, 173 Hits, 163 K's, 3.65 era, 1.26 WHIP, .235 BAA).

I could go on and on. But their are alot of #1 or #2 starters on bad teams that my be swapped for less of a blockbuster deal where we don't have to give up everything to get them.

Just my opinion. Solidying the middle of the starting rotation and then allowing our young guys to fill the last 2 slots, would help tremendously.

Why would lost place teams want to trade their best young and cheap pitchers? The Rays are talking about Kazmir because they dont want to pay him. I think the Reds should maybe go after a guy like Scott Olsen from the Marlins, I think Hamilton would be enough to pry him away. The guy is a talent and has burned some bridges in Florida and is ripe for a new start and I think could flourish here.