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    Comps for top Reds prospects?

    One way I find it very helpful to get a feel for a given player's skill set is to find a few good comps. I'm not looking for a statistical twin necessarily. Rather, I want a scouting comp. Who does things similarly to this guy?

    I was listening to the radio last night and the name Ian Snell came up. They described his mid 90's fastball, good slider, and passable change. They said the Pirates were always worried about his height and slight frame and feared he'd break down. Then I looked at his numbers and saw a guy missing a good number of bats and keeping his K/BB north of 3.5. Boom -- Johnny Cueto comp pops in my head.

    Snell will be 26 in 2008 and has 448 IP in the majors. He's improved each year and last year was essentially a #2 starter.

    How does that sit as a comp for Cueto? Other good ones for him? How about for other prospects?

    Bruce: Larry Walker?
    Bailey: Kerry Wood?
    Votto: Raul Ibanez?

    Obviously it doesn't mean a guy is going to have his comps career, but perhaps it can give us some insight in to the range of reasonable outcomes as we talk about upsides.
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    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    I think the Snell/Cueto comp is pretty apt.

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    Bailey: Josh Beckett

    Thats the one I have heard since he was drafted and it still makes sense today.

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Bailey: Josh Beckett

    Thats the one I have heard since he was drafted and it still makes sense today.
    Boy I sure hope you're right. I can't think of anyone I'd rather have on the mound in a crucial game than Beckett. His stuff is nasty and his temperment is perfect. Just the right amount of mental toughness and emotional control combined with a little bit a bad a** attitude.
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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    How about further down in the system?

    Danny Dorn: Trot Nixon?
    Drew Stubbs: Mike Cameron?
    Juan Fransisco: Wily Mo Pena?
    Todd Frazier: Jeff Kent?
    Matt Maloney: ?
    Devin Moreseco: ?
    Travis Wood: ?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    I don't see the Francisco - WMP one. WMP is still an absolute physical freak of nature. Francisco has some crazy power, but I have yet to see anyone with the raw power that WMP displayed.

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    That's wierd. I was thinking the exact same thing about Cueto a couple days ago. If his stuff is as advertised, he's basically the stocky version of Ian Snell. Cueto's changeup is probably a little better, but they're almost identical.

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    Dorn = Mark Kotsay
    Turner = Craig Biggio
    Francisco = David Ortiz
    Valaika = Adam Everett
    Stubbs = Reed Johnson

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    How about instead of the same old Mike Cameron comps,
    Drew Stubbs: Steve Finley?
    Go BLUE!!!

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redman15 View Post
    Turner = Craig Biggio
    Francisco = David Ortiz
    Mesoraco = Johnny Bench
    Lotzkar = Sandy Koufax
    Waring = Babe Ruth
    Go BLUE!!!

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redman15 View Post
    Dorn = Mark Kotsay
    Turner = Craig Biggio
    Francisco = David Ortiz
    Valaika = Adam Everett
    Stubbs = Reed Johnson

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    Mesoraco has some very similar traits to Russell Martin.

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns View Post
    Mesoraco has some very similar traits to Russell Martin.
    Let's hope he never shows similar traits to Ricky Martin.

    Now if he can sing, dance, and catch.......
    Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    Here are the comp stats for Ortiz/Francisco at A ball.

    Batting Statistics Ortiz vs Francisco
    Year Team Lg Age Org. Level G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP AVG
    1996Wisc Midw 20 Sea A 129 485 89 156 34 2 18 93 3 4 52 108 5 8 2 4 5 .322
    2007 Day Midw 20 Cin A 135 534 69 143 21 4 25 90 12 6 23 161 3 6 0 2 14 .268

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    Re: Comps for top Reds prospects?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redman15 View Post
    Here are the comp stats for Ortiz/Francisco at A ball.

    Batting Statistics Ortiz vs Francisco
    Year Team Lg Age Org. Level G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP AVG
    1996Wisc Midw 20 Sea A 129 485 89 156 34 2 18 93 3 4 52 108 5 8 2 4 5 .322
    2007 Day Midw 20 Cin A 135 534 69 143 21 4 25 90 12 6 23 161 3 6 0 2 14 .268
    I don't see it. Ortiz knew how to take a walk, hit for a higher average and had a higher isolated slugging percentage as well. They also have different body types.


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