Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong
I'm witchcrafting everybody.
According to the ESPN Blog, the Mets have offered Aaron Heilman, Carlos Gomez and Philip Humber for Bedard. Seems to me that an offer of Votto, Cueto and Maloney would trump that any day.
"Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013
Last edited by pedro; 12-04-2007 at 09:30 PM.
Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun
Stubbs may becoming less of a disappointment but he's not there yet. Take more than half a good season to convince me. It's not that he's such a bad prospect but like Meserasco, he's a first round pick who could have been a top young arm instead. He's also a first round pick that hasn't produced like a first round pick so far. In that respect, yes he's a bust.
There's all sorts of good with a few nagging annoyances with having a "Big Four" like the Reds have.
The good is all self-explanatory so there's no need to dive into that.
Unfortunately, the nagging annoyances is when you have a group of players like that, they're the guys everybody else always wants when you ask about one of their players. I imagine it isn't easy to get another team's GM to stop being fixated on one of the Big Four even when a combo of second tier prospects isn't too shabby of a package.
All that said - and while having no idea what the financial books for the Reds looks like (i.e. could they actually ink Santana to a long-term deal semi-easily and we don't know this?) - it'd be darn near impossible for me to pull a trigger on any deal that sends Jay Bruce out of town. That dude is just too much of a complete all around player who does everything well and can play a pretty good center field; I don't buy the notion that he has to move over to right field.
The others ... let's talk.
Barry Larkin - HOF, 2012
Put an end to the Lost Decade.
OK, well here's another one for you. If you could get TWO of Haren, Bedard or Santana, would you give up ALL of the "Fab Four"?
"Bring on Rod Stupid!"
Or when Harang is Santana-level dominant he can be considered better.Then when Bedard puts it together for a full season, he can be considered better.Until then....
Why would the O's trade Erik Bedard for Aaron Harang?
So they can get 5 more starts out of a guy who allows a half run or more per 9 innings?
What part of 220 Ks in 190 innings is losing everyone?
Last edited by Dom Heffner; 12-04-2007 at 10:05 PM.
I don't even mess with these is Harang or Bedard better or is Haren better than Harang arguments. Just give me Harang and either one of them and I'll call 'em even. They can take turns being 1 and 2. They can be co-captains. Let me keep either Bailey or Cueto, too, I'm not selfish. I'll let you have one or the other for a Bedard or Haren to compete with Harang for "Best Reds Pitcher". Follow with Arroyo, Bailey/Cueto and Belisle and Maloney and I don't care who is besat. All I know is I have a 1-2 punch, a good as anyone's #3, a lights out prospect who can learn without pressure in the backend, and
a veteran who is already a good 5th man with another young pitcher who looks to have a 3-4 ceiling in the breach. Now that's a complete rotation. And I'll let you win the argument. Either one you'd like is best. It's fine by me.