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    Here's what Beane is asking for Haren...

    Billy Beane is asking the Yankees for 2 of the 3 between Kennedy, Hughes and Chamberlain, and asking the Red Sox for 2 of the 3 between Lester, Buchholz and Ellsbury.

    Following this logic, it is clear what he would ask for from the Reds: 2 of the 3 out of Bruce, Bailey, and Cueto. (He has no need for Votto because they already have 1B/DH filled.) Would you give up 2 of those 3 for Haren?

    Also, apparently although he has said he has no interest in signing an extension in Baltimore, the Orioles asking price for Bedard is SKY HIGH, as in 4 top prospects. If that's true, I guess we can cross him off of our shopping list.
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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    I would give up Bailey and Cueto for Haren, but not Bruce.

    Bailey and Cueto for Haren is probably the easiest decision Wayne would ever have in his GM career.

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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    I would give up Bailey and Cueto for Haren, but not Bruce.

    Bailey and Cueto for Haren is probably the easiest decision Wayne would ever have in his GM career.
    Either of Bailey and Cueto and another non-top-4 prospect, not both. And if he thinks he's getting Bruce AND either Bailey/Cueto, he's crazy. You knew the asking price for Haren would be incredibly high though.
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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    I would give up Bailey and Cueto for Haren, but not Bruce.

    Bailey and Cueto for Haren is probably the easiest decision Wayne would ever have in his GM career.
    Between a stud pitcher and a stud corner outfielder, I'd give up the outfielder.
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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse View Post
    Between a pitcher and a stud corner outfielder, I'd give up the pitcher.
    Fixed that for ya.

    You got the stud COF part correct. The stud pitcher part, not so much.

    If we can gain a stud pitcher while giving up two pitching prospects, it's like taking candy from a baby.

    Bailey and Cueto will have their training wheels on for at least 2008 and 2009. I know I'd rather have Haren for 2008 and 2009 than having to watch Bailey and Cueto learn to crawl, walk and then run. Haren can already run.

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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    real simple, if thats the case no deal

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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Quote Originally Posted by icehole3 View Post
    real simple, if thats the case no deal
    Real simple, hypothetical talent (Bailey and Cueto) vs actual talent (Haren).

    Racehorses are real. Unicorns? Not so much.

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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    Real simple, hypothetical talent (Bailey and Cueto) vs actual talent (Haren).

    Racehorses are real. Unicorns? Not so much.
    Nothing hypothetical about Bailey and Cueto at this point. They are both TOR-type guys... and sooner rather than later.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Quote Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS View Post
    Nothing hypothetical about Bailey and Cueto at this point. They are both TOR-type guys... and sooner rather than later.
    You're right. They've projected to be TOR-type guys, but last time I checked, Harang and Arroyo are rightfully ahead of Bailey in the Reds' SP rotation, and Cueto is the #1 for LOU, not the Reds.

    Until they reach their respective projected ceilings, they are far from actual talent.

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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    I would guess that one could expect Beane to lower his expectations when the Yankees laugh at him. Someone tell me why the Red Sox are after pitching again. They are certainly driving the price up on the Yankees and anyone else that might be interested. I hope they do this with someone they don't want and get stuck with him.
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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Quote Originally Posted by Highlifeman21 View Post
    You're right. They've projected to be TOR-type guys, but last time I checked, Harang and Arroyo are rightfully ahead of Bailey in the Reds' SP rotation, and Cueto is the #1 for LOU, not the Reds.

    Until they reach their respective projected ceilings, they are far from actual talent.
    Right, I agree. I just think they deserve more respect at this point than guys who have all-world talent but have yet to crack AA...

    these two have all-world talent and are knocking on the door at the Major League level.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Bruce and either Bailey or Cueto for a 27 year old stud pitcher making less than $7 million per year for the next two seasons, plus an option for a third season.

    I'd make that trade and brag about it. I'd also start thinking about how much to charge for playoff tickets.
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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Hamilton, either Cueto or Bailey (Reds keep the one with better internal scouting report), and a third guy either Stubbs, or Wood, or Roenicke. May not be exactly what Oak wants, but I don't know if anyone will offer more value.

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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    I wouldn't assume Votto doesn't appeal to the A's.

    He looks like a better hitter than Daric Barton at this point and Oakland needs offense.

    Also, what the A's are asking and what they can get might be two different things. One of Bailey/Cueto, Stubbs and Maloney might be enough to tempt the A's. Might not, but the Reds don't need to lead with Bailey and Cueto.

    Yet I would say that of all the arms who are supposedly being shopped this winter, Haren is, by far, the most valuable to the Reds. He costs $4M, $5.5M and $6.75M the next three seasons. This is probably the guy Krivsky has to get. If it ultimately costs Bailey and Cueto ... well, we knew this wouldn't be easy.
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    Re: Here's what it would take for Haren...

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I wouldn't assume Votto doesn't appeal to the A's.

    He looks like a better hitter than Daric Barton at this point and Oakland needs offense.

    Also, what the A's are asking and what they can get might be two different things. One of Bailey/Cueto, Stubbs and Maloney might be enough to tempt the A's. Might not, but the Reds don't need to lead with Bailey and Cueto.

    Yet I would say that of all the arms who are supposedly being shopped this winter, Haren is, by far, the most valuable to the Reds. He costs $4M, $5.5M and $6.75M the next three seasons. This is probably the guy Krivsky has to get. If it ultimately costs Bailey and Cueto ... well, we knew this wouldn't be easy.
    What if he insisted on Bruce and either Cueto/Bailey?
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrap Irony View Post
    Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)
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