I would try offering up Bruce straight up for Harren first and if that doesn't work, maybe put in another prospect like Stubbs or Roenicke. If that doesn't work, I would see if Hamilton/Bailey would get it done. Neither will probably work, but I think they're fair trades.
I love Harren and I'm usually pretty gung-ho about trading for proven pitching talent at a high premium, but I do feel like 2 top 3 prospects is maybe a bit much to ask.
Same offer I'd make for Scott Kazmir: Bailey, Stubbs and Pelland. Substitute Hamilton for Stubbs if you have to and that trumps both the BoSox and Yankees offer IMO.
Suck it up cupcake.
You got the stud COF part correct. The stud pitcher part, not so much.
If we can gain a stud pitcher while giving up two pitching prospects, it's like taking candy from a baby.
Bailey and Cueto will have their training wheels on for at least 2008 and 2009. I know I'd rather have Haren for 2008 and 2009 than having to watch Bailey and Cueto learn to crawl, walk and then run. Haren can already run.
What would it take to get Blanton or Harden?
The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.
We should have saved Denorfia for this trade! Stupid Krivsky!
Like M2 said - you don't have to start out with these guys on the table; but when you look at the market on solid pitchers in their prime, that he is highly desired, what other teams could be offering, and how you'd be locking this kid up at a very reasonable price for the next three years.... then how can you pass up on this deal?
When I look around at what is available right now, this is the one player I'd only consider doing that deal for. If one thinks that highly of Bailey and Cueto, that they are the solution for this rotation in the near future, then they need to come out and say so and quit these useless discussions/inquiries into guys like Willis, Livan, etc.
And I think it could be done without Bruce.
Last edited by GAC; 12-03-2007 at 03:59 PM.
"panic" only comes from having real expectations
If you keep try to hang onto position player prospects at the cost of top starter prospects, you are going to repeat the previous 12 years over and over again.
The Braves won for a decade plus on the backs of 3 starting pitchers. The position players simply came and went.
"Is there a problem officers?"
I've got one untouchable, Jay Bruce. Every other prospect would be on the table, bat or pitcher. It's got nothing to do with offense vs. pitching, it's based on Bruce being the surest thing this franchise has produced in a quite a while. While pursuing pitching hither and yon, I think it's critical to keep a hold of Bruce so that you have something to build your offense around in the coming years.
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I'm witchcrafting everybody.