I'm surprise no one has really brought this guy's name up more often. This is the perfect case of buying a guy at a rock bottom price (see Brandon Phillips). Look at his stats from 2004 to 2006 season and you'll see that he has won 14, 18 and 14 games. Plus, he pitched over 200 innings in 2005 & 2006 season.
http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/sta...layerID=424324
So does one bad season make a pitcher's career? If not, then if I'm Krivsky I'm calling the Tribe and see what the Indians might need.
If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.
He was pretty good in 2005 and in 52 innings in 2003. Looks pretty mediocre other than that. If he can be had for cheap, why not? He could fill out the back of the rotation. Or he could continue to be terrible.
Krusty,
I think he'd be the perfect target for the Reds. I've been lobbying for him on a couple other threads.
He's excess baggage to the Indians, and thus might be easier to pry away than some other starters.
A lot of upside, and even if he doesn't rebound, he's better than anything else we have for the back of the rotation.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
what would he cost in terms of talent?
I wouldn't be surprised if Shaprio is wary of dealing with Wayne after the Phillips debacle
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Basically Phillips wore out his welcome in Cleveland. Perfect case of a change of scenery would do him good. Same thing could apply to Cliff Lee.Originally Posted by Benihana
If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.
I see a flyball pitcher with mediocre K and BB rates. What's the draw?
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
Cheap
Has had success, might rebound
Moving to NL might suit him (like it did for Lilly)
Might not cost excessive talent in trade
He's available.
He'd instantly be our #3
Lee isn't Santana, but he'd be a nice upgrade to our staff.
Consider that right now, Homer is penciled in as our #4, and we don't even have a body for our #5.
If Wayne doesn't add a credible starting pitcher this winter, he should be fired. By credible, I mean a guy that has a reasonable chance of being a .500 pitcher or better.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
still no one has answered my question- what do you think the Reds would have to give up to get Cliff Lee?
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not sure, Cleveland doesn't have huge holes, their needs are minor.
I have no interest in Lee. None at all.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
Me either. Cliff Lee is the anti-GAB type pitcher.
bump: (and props to REDREAD for his call on this one)
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In fairness to FCB, 95% of posters felt the same way.
There was nothing in Lee's resume over the least few years to suggest he was a good match for GABP. It's just one of those things.
On some other blogs and sites it appears that Cleveland has no intention of giving him away cheap.
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Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
I heard the Cardinals were interested in Lee. That made me happy. If I hear the same thing about the Reds, that will make me equally unhappy.
At best, Lee is right now a 5th starter. At worst, he's in Milton territory right now. Considering that he's being paid guaranteed cash, this is an awful risk. At one point he was an acceptable pitcher, but he hasn't been anywhere close the last few years.
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