Who Brought Them Here?

[camisadelgolf]

This shows which GM brought each prospect to the Reds. Let me know if you notice any mistakes made or players who should be added.

Wayne Krivsky		Dan O'Brien		Jim Bowden		Brad Kullman & Leland Maddox
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Todd Frazier		Jay Bruce		Joey Votto		Ty Pelland
Drew Stubbs		Homer Bailey		Ryan Hanigan
Kyle Lotzkar		Johnny Cueto		Chris Dickerson
Devin Mesoraco		Travis Wood		Carlos Guevara
Matt Maloney		Adam Rosales		Richie Gardner
Sean Watson		Pedro Viola		Tom Pauly
Alex Smit		Carlos Fisher		Luis Montano
Neftali Soto		Juan Francisco		Tonys Gutierrez
Danny Dorn		Ruben Medina		Justin Mallett
Josh Roenicke		Ramon Ramirez		Brock Till
Daryl Thompson		Craig Tatum		Luis Bolivar
Justin Turner		Paul Janish
Chris Valaika		Jose Rojas
Zach Cozart		Sam Lecure
Brandon Waring		Drew Anderson
Marcus McBeth		Michael Griffin
Scott Carroll		Juan Rafael
Evan Hildebrandt	Terrell Young
Tzu-Kai Chiu		Rafael Gonzalez
Jordan Smith		Ramon Geronimo
Sean Henry		Misael DeJesus
Justin Reed		Cody Strait
Jamie Gianchou		Tom Shearn
Chris Heisey		Angel Cabrera
Yen-Wen Kuo		Denis Phipps
Brandon Menchaca	Phil Valiquette
Ben Jukich		Daniel Guerrero
Logan Parker		Jake Long
Robert Manuel		B.J. Szymanski
Derrik Lutz		James Avery
Jamie Arneson		Camilo Vazquez
Travis Webb		Michael DeJesus
Brandon Rice		Carlos Mendez
Brett Bartles		Jose Bastardo
Shaun Cumberland	Enerio Del Rosario
Efrain Rodriguez	Chris Denove
Josh Ravin		Anthony Esquer
Harris Honeycutt	Eric Eymann
Jerry Gil		Kevyn Feiner
Lee Tabor		Jose Gualdron
Jeremy Horst		Josh Holden
Alvin Colina		Michael Jones
Jose Castro		Chris Kroski
Tony Brown		Logan Ondrusek
Charles Snowden		James Morris
Kyle Maunus		Gerardo Cabrera
Jordan Wideman		Billy Rojo
Keltavious Jones	Jeremiah Piepkorn
Kevin Gunter		Justin Tordi
Dan Zeffiro		
Tyler Rhoden
Jonathan Conatser
Michael McKennon
Carson Kainer
Drew Bowman
Mariekson Gregorius
Petr Cech
Mauro Schiavoni
Anthony Gressick
Tyler Hauschild
Jason Louwsma
Radhames Moreta
Eddy Rodriguez
Dan Donaldson
Jason Bour
Frank Meade
Ryan Baker
Eli Rimes
Joseph Krebs
Scott Gaffney
Raymond Jeffords
Matt Klinker
Anthony Romero
Curtis Partch
Alexis Oliveras
Todd Waller
Josh Beal
Brodie Pullen
Wayne Kendrick
Jake Kahaulelio
Steven Otterness
Jose Marizan
Thomas Fiebig
Victor Navarro
Aguido Gonzalez
Jeremy Vinyard
Ricky Rhodes
Jordan Hotchkiss
Leonardo Astorga

[Highlifeman21]

So far, O'Brien netted more "highly touted" prospects, whereas Krivsky's netted us depth.

Advantage = Push.

[AdamDunn]

Great post!

[TRF]

Not sure how fair it is to include Bowden, Kullman and Maddox. JimBo was 4 years ago now, the other two had a very minimal impact. JimBo is currently responsible for 4 of 8 position players though. Dunn, Jr., EE and Votto.

I do like looking at a comparison of DanO and Kriv as far as prospect talent goes.

[camisadelgolf]

Not sure how fair it is to include Bowden, Kullman and Maddox. JimBo was 4 years ago now, the other two had a very minimal impact. JimBo is currently responsible for 4 of 8 position players though. Dunn, Jr., EE and Votto.

I do like looking at a comparison of DanO and Kriv as far as prospect talent goes.

It wasn't necessarily meant to be viewed as a competition between WayK, DanO, and JimBo--it's just an objective list of who acquired the Reds' current prospects.

[TRF]

Just going by this list, I'd say DanO's prospects had a MUCH higher ceiling than Kriv's so far. That could have been blind squirrel, draft class, or skill. Who knows.

[GoReds33]

Great list. I think that this shows the tremendous effort O'Brien tried to make to restock the talent after Bowden.

[camisadelgolf]

Great list. I think that this shows the tremendous effort O'Brien tried to make to restock the talent after Bowden.

That's what I take from it, too. I'm a big believer in Wayne Krivsky, but I'll give Dan O'Brien credit for taking huge steps in building the Reds' farm system. Unfortunately for him, he had a five-year plan and a three-year contract. Krivsky, on the other hand, seems to be fast forwarding similar progress, in my opinion.

[M2]

Great list. I think that this shows the tremendous effort O'Brien tried to make to restock the talent after Bowden.

I'd say it shows just the opposite. Two years later and there's very little left of DanO's regime.

What's on that list? Two #1 picks? Great, they should be on the list. You've got two international signings. Cueto I love, but Francisco's got a .301 OB in low A, at best he's problematic.

Then you've got Wood and some sleepers.

DanO came away with very little beyond his top two picks in the gold star drafts of 2004 and 2005. That's the opposite of restocking.

If you want to see a tremendous effort, look at what Krivsky's done to augment his drafts. It's a little early to know if he's found much in the international waters (though Chiu and Cech are already in the system), but he's branched out beyond Latin America. He's also acquired for Maloney, McBeth, Smit, Thompson, Castro, Henry and Jukich from other organizations.

Bruce, Bailey and Cueto are nice, but they're really the bare minimum a front office should have produced through two talent-laden drafts and a major international signing push. The case for DanO strikes me as rather facile.

[TRF]

I get that. It seems like 4+ years later, and he is still influencing the Reds ML club.

[camisadelgolf]

DanO has gotten a lot more out of the higher-round draft picks, but to be fair, Wayne Krivsky's draft picks haven't had as much time to produce, and it took three years for Jay Bruce and Homer Bailey to really blossom into the top prospects they are today.

[TRF]

DanO has gotten a lot more out of the higher-round draft picks, but to be fair, Wayne Krivsky's draft picks haven't had as much time to produce, and it took three years for Jay Bruce and Homer Bailey to really blossom into the top prospects they are today.

Bruce and Bailey were HS picks. Stubbs was a college pick, he should be performing at a higher level by this time, especially coming out of the Big 12 conference.

[camisadelgolf]

Bruce and Bailey were HS picks. Stubbs was a college pick, he should be performing at a higher level by this time, especially coming out of the Big 12 conference.

You just had to open that can of worms, didn't you? There is no doubt that Jay Bruce + Homer Bailey > Devin Mesoraco and Jay Bruce, but overall, I still prefer the Wayne Krivsky drafts.

[HBP]

O'Brien had the advantage of a #7 pick (Bailey) and having the #12 pick (Bruce) in one of the most talent heavy first rounds in decades. Also, GM's probably aren't involved as we might think in the amateur drafts. I know for sure Krivsky had a distant approach to the 2006 draft as he said so himself. He (they) should be held accountable though for the scouts that help make the draft day decisions.

[M2]

O'Brien had the advantage of a #7 pick (Bailey) and having the #12 pick (Bruce) in one of the most talent heavy first rounds in decades. Also, GM's probably aren't involved as we might think in the amateur drafts. I know for sure Krivsky had a distant approach to the 2006 draft as he said so himself. He (they) should be held accountable though for the scouts that help make the draft day decisions.

Excellent post. GM's ask a few questions and give the overall strategy their blessing, but that's about it when it comes to the draft. The rest is delegated.