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    Jon Lieber

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    Re: Jon Lieber

    Except that Lieber is a much better bet than the other guys. I could see Lieber as part of the rotation.

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    Re: Jon Lieber

    Sure.

    Back end of rotation.

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    Re: Jon Lieber

    Assuming he's healthy, I'd take him as a 4 or 5 for sure. Misses enough bats. Great control. Ground ball tendencies.

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    Re: Jon Lieber

    Lieber would be a very good backend option, actually he'd push Belisle and Bailey back a notch. Still need a solid guy for the #2. I could live with Harang, trade, Arroyo, Lieber, Belisle/Bailey, and Maloney as insurance later on as long as "trade" = Capuano, Snell, Cain etc. I'm past believing the Reds acquire either Haren or Bedard.

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    Re: Jon Lieber

    If it were a choice between Lieber and David Wells, I'd much rather have Lieber.
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    Re: Jon Lieber

    Pass.

    He's gonna earn a decent amount of money for Belisle like numbers.

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    Re: Jon Lieber

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    Pass.

    He's gonna earn a decent amount of money for Belisle like numbers.
    While it's arguable that we need to sign a FA to accomplish it, the addition of another Belisle to the rotation would result in a net of 30 fewer runs allowed relative to last year. That's a non-trivial bump.

    For 2 & 15, I'd do it. For 2 & 25, I'll pass.
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    Re: Jon Lieber

    If we look at Leiber's numbers in this ballpark they are outstanding. In 14IP Leiber has given up 3 hits while striking out 11, he has yet to give up a run. It is a small sample but he does keep the ball down, I would go after him before Silva or Wells. Silva has pitched 3IP at GAB giving up 8hits and 5 runs for an ERA of 13.50. Wells has pitched 5IP and given up 5 hits and 3 runs for an ERA of 5.40.
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    Re: Jon Lieber

    I'd give him a 1 year deal, otherwise no thanks. And my guess is that not going 2 years would be a major sticking point.

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    Re: Jon Lieber

    I have to say, I like Lieber the best of all the lower-tier names that have been kicked around today. He seems like a guy who keeps the ball in the park and gives you lots of QS at the back end of the rotation. I wouldn't complain much about a two-year deal, especially if it were for less than $3 million per. Have to think his "veteran savvy" might help some of our younger pitchers as well.
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    Re: Jon Lieber

    He'll get more than 3M per year easily. I was thinking along the lines of a 1 year 7-8M deal. It will be pricey on a short term deal.

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    Re: Jon Lieber

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Pass.

    He's gonna earn a decent amount of money for Belisle like numbers.
    True, but we need another starter and if it's only a 1 yr contract, which I would consider a "stop gap" giving us more time on guys like Cueto and others, then it could be worth the investment. Not a great risk. Sure beats going out and signing a multi year contract on some of these other guys.

    Also - lets say he comes out and performs decently during the first half. Couldn't he also be used as trading deadline bait in a market starving for pitchers?
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    Re: Jon Lieber

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    True, but we need another starter and if it's only a 1 yr contract, which I would consider a "stop gap" giving us more time on guys like Cueto and others, then it could be worth the investment. Not a great risk. Sure beats going out and signing a multi year contract on some of these other guys.

    Also - lets say he comes out and performs decently during the first half. Couldn't he also be used as trading deadline bait in a market starving for pitchers?
    I just think they need another non stopgap guy. Along with a few other parts. Getting Lieber then hoping things fall into place is a waste of money. I'd rather spend the money elsewhere.

    If WK is smart, he'd be shopping one of the outfielders for a starter and then replace him with Bruce. There aren't any pitchers out there in FA who are gonna help enough.

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    Re: Jon Lieber

    Quote Originally Posted by RedEye View Post
    Have to think his "veteran savvy" might help some of our younger pitchers as well.
    That's what I was thinking, too. It's apparent from his stints as an announcer that he's a personable and smart guy. If he pitches well enough to hold up the back of the rotation and provides some wise council to young guys at the front, he could be worth every penny of whatever he costs. In that respect, he could be the equivalent of Greg Maddux, minus the GG and self-loathing.
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