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    Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Thanks to fangraphs.com for the information.

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    Player	        AB	2B	HR	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
    Josh Hamilton	410	23	31	0.305	0.382	0.598	0.979
    Jay Bruce	535	41	36	0.308	0.363	0.602	0.965
    Adam Dunn	566	31	43	0.251	0.386	0.537	0.923
    Joey Votto	460	30	23	0.307	0.388	0.526	0.914
    Ed. Encarnacion	494	34	20	0.296	0.366	0.490	0.856
    Ken Griffey Jr	495	24	29	0.263	0.353	0.487	0.840
    Jeff Keppinger	255	14	3	0.322	0.382	0.420	0.802
    Scott Hatteberg	180	10	4	0.272	0.370	0.394	0.765
    Br. Phillips	630	32	23	0.270	0.318	0.440	0.757
    Norris Hopper	220	8	0	0.318	0.362	0.364	0.725
    Alex Gonzalez	425	28	13	0.254	0.308	0.416	0.724
    
    
    Player	        IP	H	ERA	BB	K
    Aaron Harang	235	239	3.91	62	199
    Bronson Arroyo	212	217	4.08	63	145
    Matt Belisle	169	195	4.79	46	119
    Jared Burton	60	60	4.20	28	50
    Bill Bray	40	41	4.05	14	43
    David Weathers	75	70	3.84	31	54
    F. Cordero	61	54	3.54	25	68
    Those are what James has projected for those guys. Other players do not have projections available on Fangraphs.com, so I couldn't post them.

    Thought this could spark some nice talk about what our guys may do next year.

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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Bill James is pretty much is predicting Jay Bruce will be Ted Williams in 1939 minus about .020 in BA.

    That's some serious expectation.
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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    Bill James is pretty much is predicting Jay Bruce will be Ted Williams in 1939 minus about .020 in BA.

    That's some serious expectation.
    I completely agree. I love JB and all, but that prediction seems preposterous.

    With that said, I think most of those look to be about right. I think Phillips may hit a few more than what is projected. I also think Burton's ERA will be better than what he's projecting, but other than that, I think most of his predictions are pretty good.

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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    Bill James is pretty much is predicting Jay Bruce will be Ted Williams in 1939 minus about .020 in BA.

    That's some serious expectation.
    Good point. The Reds had better trade Bruce ASAP.
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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    Good point. The Reds had better trade Bruce ASAP.
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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but how does he determine the plate appearances? There are a few there that look a little high to me based on individual histories.

    I'd also say the line on Matt Belisle looks a little optimistic; I'd like to know more of the stats involved in these determinations.
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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    I'd also say the line on Matt Belisle looks a little optimistic; I'd like to know more of the stats involved in these determinations.
    Well last season, with average luck, Belisle would have posted numbers perhaps bettering those numbers. I think a projection like that is well within reason for Belisle, and actually I think he could post an ERA in the 4.30 range with average luck.

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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns View Post
    Well last season, with average luck, Belisle would have posted numbers perhaps bettering those numbers. I think a projection like that is well within reason for Belisle, and actually I think he could post an ERA in the 4.30 range with average luck.
    I agree about Belisle. I think he's a real sleeper.

    I also think Phillips will have a better OBP and SLG than projected.
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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns View Post
    Well last season, with average luck, Belisle would have posted numbers perhaps bettering those numbers. I think a projection like that is well within reason for Belisle, and actually I think he could post an ERA in the 4.30 range with average luck.
    Agreed.

    Matt Belisle pitched more innings last year than he has ever pitched in his life. I thought he looked pretty darn good at times.

    I really believe we will see improvement in all of his numbers in 2008.

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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Quote Originally Posted by vaticanplum View Post
    I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but how does he determine the plate appearances? There are a few there that look a little high to me based on individual histories.

    I'd also say the line on Matt Belisle looks a little optimistic; I'd like to know more of the stats involved in these determinations.
    You can see a lot more numbers at fangraphs.com. Just type in the player you want to see and look at his stats.

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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Further evidence on why trading Bruce is a bad thing.
    The Sox traded Bullfrog the only player they've got for Shottenhoffen. Four-eyes Shottenhoffen a utility infielder. They've got a whole team of utility infielders.

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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Start printing those WS tickets!

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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Pretty much verifies the notion that Jay Bruce is one of the top five most valuable hitters in baseball today. Hopefully every team we are talking to realizes that also.
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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    What did Brandon Phillips ever do to Bill James?

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    Re: Bill James 2008 Projections for select Reds players

    Good Lord...that is one scary good offense.
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