"Reality tells us there are no guarantees. Except that some day Jon Lester will be on that list of 100-game winners." - Peter Gammons
"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Color me completely confused about this rumor. Is Wayne suddenly turning into Jim Bowden or something? Why in the world would we trade our best pitching prospect in years for yet another "toolsy" outfielder? I don't care if Alex Rios is right-handed or how good a player he might be, this just doesn't make sense!
"Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013
My first thought when I read the head line, WK's finger's getting twitchy on the Bruce trigger. Only thing that really make sense. As other's have guessed, probably Bailey for Rijos and then Bruce for Bedard. Would WK then turn around and deal hamilton for someone like Hill, Cain, Blanton, Baker or one of the young TB arms (Garza?)?
(Yes, I know the Cubs wouldn't trade Marmol and that Junior has 10-5 rights).
Bruce to CF, Hamilton to platoon in RF with Murton. Marmol as primary setup guy, or stretch him back out to a starter. Or just make it Sean Marshall and be done with it. It works out surprisingly well for everybody, but between Junior's veto and the whole inter-divisional aspect of it, it would never happen.
Last edited by RedsManRick; 12-06-2007 at 04:48 PM.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
You only deal Bailey for Rios if you are positive (and I mean POSITIVE) that you can flip Dunn/Junior/Hamilton for a quality starting pitcher.
And then the Reds would still be short a starter.
Highlifeman, from what I have heard, Griffey was already attempted to be moved earlier this offseason but someone backed out of the deal.... so Wayne isn't holding onto that chip like its gold or anything.
At this point in time, I could care less what we get back. A foam finger, a case of Cracker Jack, and one of those sundaes in the little baseball helmet? Sure, sign me up.
Moving Griffey frees up the OF for both Hamilton and Bruce to play everyday, which at this point in both of their careers, they need.
Rios is young, cheap, extremley productive, signed for three more years, right handed and is solid defensively in CF.
Bedard is signed for two more years, left-handed, and would arguably be better for the Reds than Harang.
That is exactly what the Reds need. Their window is for the next 2-3 years, and this would be ideal. And they keep Hamilton, Votto, and Cueto for the future.
This isn't a rumor, it's speculation. Carry on.