Turn Off Ads?
Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 63

Thread: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

  1. #46
    Greatness In The Making RedLegSuperStar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Posts
    4,078

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tornon View Post
    I don't know if you're just being facetious but the nationals actually signed him last week
    What are the odds?
    "I could watch video of Griffey swinging all day. It's like baseball porn." - C. Trent Rosecrans


    2008 Reds Record When I Attend: 9W - 5L

    2009 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 2L

    2010 Reds Record When I Attend: 1W - 0L

    2011 Reds Record When I Attend: 0W - 1L

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #47
    Vampire Weekend @Bernie's camisadelgolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Cincinnati, OH
    Posts
    11,438

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    What's Antonio Perez doing these days?
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/perezan01.shtml

    He spent 2007 being injured and playing in AAA. He's going the journeyman utility AAAA route.

  4. #48
    Knowledge Is Good Big Klu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    Cambridge, OH
    Posts
    19,462

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I\'d trade Hamilton three times before any of the four guys you just listed.

    I think many on redszone overvalue Hamilton.
    See, I think many on RedsZone undervalue Hamilton.
    Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman. Damn glad to meet ya.

  5. #49
    Member Jpup's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Southern KY
    Posts
    6,967

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Klu View Post
    See, I think many on RedsZone undervalue Hamilton.
    me too.
    "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

  6. #50
    THAT'S A FACT JACK!! GAC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Bellefontaine, Ohio
    Posts
    26,674

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    Unless the Reds can get at least a #2 starter for Hamilton I'm keepin' him.
    There ain't no way rem that any team is going to give up a #2 starter for a kid that has been out of baseball for 4 years, and in his initial year only played in 90 games due to DL time.

    I'm not advocating trading the kid, unless it's in the right deal; but his value just isn't that high right now.
    "panic" only comes from having real expectations

  7. #51
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Newport Beach, CA
    Posts
    8,066

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Then I guess I'm keepi' him, huh! (Note big smilie)

    Of course, in the Hamilton/Willis thread I also said: I love watching Hamilton play. You can just see the talent 'oozing' from his body, trying to break out on a consistant basis. The question is: 'will it happen?' Personally, I think it will and, if his progress line is anywhere close to what it was last year, 2008 will be the blooming of Josh Hamilton.

    Having said that, I'd certainly be close to pulling the trigger on a Hammy for Willis deal. Dontrelle was a dominant pitcher not too long ago and at 26, unless there is something structurely wrong with him, I'm willing to take a chance that he'll return to previous form. If he does, the Reds would have a #1A and a #1B in Willis and Harang (in either order you want to place them).

    I'm still feelin' that way.

    Rem

  8. #52
    Member Wheelhouse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,908

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    I\'d trade Hamilton three times before any of the four guys you just listed.

    I think many on redszone overvalue Hamilton.
    Whew, you are just not familiar with the scouting reports on him. He was rated HIGHER than Junior or A-Rod as a prospect. He as been away from the game four years and turned in a terrific season for a guy getting back into the swing of things. Of any player currently on the Reds 40-man, he has the best chance of winning an MVP award. And whoever thinks he's not a "natural center fielder" obviously has not watched him play. Have there been balls he has not caught up to? Throws he has not made? The only rub against his play in CF is a FEW (very few) times he has misjudged balls off the bat. He has made some spectacular plays in CF. And again, the guy is coming back to the game after a huge layoff! A talent of his caliber deserves a little patience. No scouting report of any Reds player can match the praise of Hamilton.
    "Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself."--Winston Churchill

  9. #53
    Member Jpup's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Southern KY
    Posts
    6,967

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wheelhouse View Post
    Whew, you are just not familiar with the scouting reports on him. He was rated HIGHER than Junior or A-Rod as a prospect. He as been away from the game four years and turned in a terrific season for a guy getting back into the swing of things. Of any player currently on the Reds 40-man, he has the best chance of winning an MVP award. And whoever thinks he's not a "natural center fielder" obviously has not watched him play. Have there been balls he has not caught up to? Throws he has not made? The only rub against his play in CF is a FEW (very few) times he has misjudged balls off the bat. He has made some spectacular plays in CF. And again, the guy is coming back to the game after a huge layoff! A talent of his caliber deserves a little patience. No scouting report of any Reds player can match the praise of Hamilton.
    that's exactly why I can't understand the eagerness of this board to trade him. I almost find the notion silly.
    "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

  10. #54
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Indianapolis, IN
    Posts
    7,196

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    One thing to keep in mind Wheelhouse is that when a guy makes a "spectacular" play, its often because he was slow in reacting to the ball in the first place. Can we make a Jim Edmonds caveat smiley? that way it would be a lot easier to respond to this point.

    I've seen him play and I'm willing to trust the numbers a little bit to know he's a good but not great centerfielder and he would be a great right fielder.

    Another thing to consider, while it's possible that he'll get better, the amount of progress is unlikely to be as high as it was this year. That's okay too, but remember, he's more likely to plateau a little bit after such a great comeback as he to explode again.
    When people say that I donít know what Iím talking about when it comes to sports or writing, I think: Man, you should see me in the rest of my life.
    ---Joe Posnanski

  11. #55
    Member Cedric's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Monroe
    Posts
    6,398

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Red View Post
    One thing to keep in mind Wheelhouse is that when a guy makes a "spectacular" play, its often because he was slow in reacting to the ball in the first place. Can we make a Jim Edmonds caveat smiley? that way it would be a lot easier to respond to this point.

    I've seen him play and I'm willing to trust the numbers a little bit to know he's a good but not great centerfielder and he would be a great right fielder.

    Another thing to consider, while it's possible that he'll get better, the amount of progress is unlikely to be as high as it was this year. That's okay too, but remember, he's more likely to plateau a little bit after such a great comeback as he to explode again.
    Well of course. Are you really expecting as much progress as last year? Not playing baseball for four years and then putting up the numbers Josh did last year?

    If he progressed this year like he did last year he would be an MVP candidate. Josh will be 25 this season and the only doubts I have about his value are his injuries. If you think he stays healthy you keep him. BIG if though.
    This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.

  12. #56
    The Big Dog mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    14,843

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    Well of course. Are you really expecting as much progress as last year? Not playing baseball for four years and then putting up the numbers Josh did last year?

    If he progressed this year like he did last year he would be an MVP candidate. Josh will be 25 this season and the only doubts I have about his value are his injuries. If you think he stays healthy you keep him. BIG if though.
    He was born May 21, 1981. He'll turn 27 early in the next baseball season.

    I like him and don't want to trade him, but I don't want to trade pitching (Bailey or Cueto) and I don't want to trade the younger and similarly talented Bruce. And because I agree that Hamilton is likely to be as good as you suggest, he may be the only other guy that brings back the type of pitcher needed. If there is no plan to keep Dunn, then I'd keep Hamilton and deal Dunn.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

  13. #57
    Where's my chair? REDREAD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Posts
    21,095

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    If the Reds traded Josh Hamilton for Mike Cameron and an above-average pitcher, I could certainly live with that.
    My thoughts exactly. Signing Cameron lets you trade Josh Hamilton.

    I'd have no problem giving Cameron 2 years either, because Dunn and/or Jr might be gone in 2009. We're going to need OF in 2009, even if Bruce is ready. I know this is blashphemy, but I'd even consider giving him 3 years if that's what it takes (depending on $$). Sure, in three years, he'll be 38, but I could see him playing that long (like Lofton has).

    Wayne has to do what it takes to free up prospects to trade for pitching. Get it done, Wayne.
    Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!

    Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!

  14. #58
    All dyslexics must untie!
    Join Date
    Sep 2000
    Location
    SW Portland, OR
    Posts
    8,604

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Cameron's ship has sailed

    If Hamilton is "all that" (and he may be) then a rival GM may overpay for him. If his trade value amongst rival GMs isn't worthy of a stud starting pitcher, then perhaps the jury is still "out" on Josh? You can't deal Dunn/Junior and Dusty wants them around. You better not deal Bruce. So that makes Hamilton the bait. But the timing may not be right...unless you can find that one rival GM out there who weighs the risk/reward factor and coughs up a stud starter for JH

    You've got to give up something to get something. Bruce makes Hamilton expendable. Two years from now, when Griffey's gone and Dunn might be, we could look back and wish we still had Hamilton. OTOH, the Reds seem to have a knack when it comes to having too many outfielders and not enough starting OF jobs, so I tend to worry less about future shortages in that area
    Never overlook the obvious

  15. #59
    THAT'S A FACT JACK!! GAC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Bellefontaine, Ohio
    Posts
    26,674

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Cameron wants (demands) a multi-year deal. It's the sticking point as to why he hasn't resigned with S.D.

    Unless the Reds have a sure-fire deal to get a solid starter, and the deal involves a Hamilton, then I'd simply pass on Cameron.

    And even if we trade a Hamilton - couldn't a more suitable (and more affordable) replacement be found other then overpaying for a Cameron? I think so.
    "panic" only comes from having real expectations

  16. #60
    The Big Dog mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    14,843

    Re: Reds interested in Mike Cameron?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    Cameron wants (demands) a multi-year deal. It's the sticking point as to why he hasn't resigned with S.D.

    Unless the Reds have a sure-fire deal to get a solid starter, and the deal involves a Hamilton, then I'd simply pass on Cameron.

    And even if we trade a Hamilton - couldn't a more suitable (and more affordable) replacement be found other then overpaying for a Cameron? I think so.
    So who is a more suitable and affordable replacement? I think you guys are all selling Cameron short. He isn't Juan Pierre or Gary Matthews Jr. Make a list of better CF. Ichiro, Beltran, Wells and probably Granderson for sure. Maybe Hunter, Andruw Jones and Rowand sometimes. Chris Young of the young up and comers. Ellsbury if he turns out to be what he's supposed to be (big if) and not really many others. Heck a younger version of Norris Hopper is being offered up by the Yankees as a main ingredient for the best pitcher in Baseball. Cameron is a RH bat with pop that will play very well in GABP and the NL Central. He's spent the major part of his career being suppressed by Safeco Field and Petco Park and playing in divisions with pitchers parks in Anaheim, Oakland, LA and San Francisco. I think in Cincy you'd see a sorely needed RH power source for the bottom of the order who would be a better defender in CF than any Red since, well, Mike Cameron. It doesn't mean I'd go 5 years on him, but 2 with an option or even 3 isn't out of the question.

    Of course this is all predicated on the assumption that Hamilton is dealt for an arm, Griffey is gone after this year (or maybe sooner) and Bruce assumes his eventual spot in RF. And if Hamilton and other prospects are dealt for an arm, then the team will be back in the spot of needing to add talent without giving up talent. Even if you believe in Stubbs, he's yet to have sustained success in low A. He's at least 3 years away.
    Last edited by mth123; 12-11-2007 at 02:55 AM.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

    Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25