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  • Scott Carroll

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  • Chris Dickerson

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  • Juan Francisco

    19 24.68%
  • Rafael Gonzalez

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  • Sean Henry

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  • Evan Hildenbrandt

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  • Sam Lecure

    2 2.60%
  • Marcus McBeth

    2 2.60%
  • Tyler Pelland

    5 6.49%
  • Adam Rosales

    3 3.90%
  • Jordan Smith

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  • Neftali Soto

    12 15.58%
  • Craig Tatum

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  • Daryl Thompson

    7 9.09%
  • Justin Turner

    2 2.60%
  • Chris Valaika

    1 1.30%
  • Pedro Viola

    6 7.79%
  • Brandon Waring

    13 16.88%
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Thread: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I'm not betting on any of this, but Baseball America had Francisco as the number 8 prospect in the Reds organization. Somebody over there thinks his OBP can improve.
    And John Sickles doesn't have him in the top 20. Baseball America is notorious for a skills heavy approach. They may very well rank him at 8 and have no illusions that he'll ever develop discipline - they may just undervalue it. He's got time, but .301 isn't C-, it's D-. If he can get it up to the .330 range, then we've got something. But at the rate he doesn't make contact, it's not going to come via batting average. I dread what's going to happen to him in the FSL when those homers start turning in to long flys. It could get ugly.

    I went with Daryl Thompson here as the best combination of ceiling and performance.

    As for Waring, a 21 year old Cal State guy beating up the Pioneer league is good to see, but not terribly impressive. I want to see how his bat holds up against age appropriate competition.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 12-12-2007 at 12:39 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    And John Sickles doesn't have him in the top 20. Baseball America is notorious for a skills heavy approach. They may very well rank him at 8 and have no illusions that he'll ever develop discipline - they may just undervalue it.

    I went with Daryl Thompson here as the best combination of ceiling and performance.

    As for Waring, a 21 year old Cal State guy beating up the Pioneer league is good to see, but not terribly impressive. I want to see how his bat holds up against age appropriate competition.
    I like the Thompson pick as well.
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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I'm not betting on any of this, but Baseball America had Francisco as the number 8 prospect in the Reds organization. Somebody over there thinks his OBP can improve.
    This has been used plenty of times before..., they also ranked B.J. Szymanski as the #4 prospect in 2005. Grain of salt.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    Doug, someone, maybe you, said on minorleagueball.com that Soto was injured during part of last season. What's the story on that?
    He had an inflamed elbow for the last month that got him shut down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Doug, next round Derrick Lutz, please. And thanks for doing the polls.
    He will be on the next one.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    As for Waring, a 21 year old Cal State guy beating up the Pioneer league is good to see, but not terribly impressive. I want to see how his bat holds up against age appropriate competition.
    Waring went to Wofford.... not exactly in the powerhouse conferences around the college baseball world.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Is Wofford is a Div 1-AA school? What conference do they play in?
    IMO the best college baseball is played out west.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Waring went to Wofford.... not exactly in the powerhouse conferences around the college baseball world.
    So is that in his favor (he didn't have first class instruction) or a strike against him (he beat up lesser competition in college too)?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Redman15 View Post
    Is Wofford is a Div 1-AA school? What conference do they play in?
    IMO the best college baseball is played out west.
    I believe Wofford is in North Carolina. They play in the Southern Conference, which is I-AA in football, but that designation doesn't apply to any other sport, it's all just Division I.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Thanks I will Goggle them and take a look at the Southern Conf.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    So is that in his favor (he didn't have first class instruction) or a strike against him (he beat up lesser competition in college too)?
    IMO it's in his favor. If he hadn't dominated at Billings, obviously not, but he did. Honestly, if Waring can turn some of those K's into walks, it looks like he'll be a big time sleeper. Of course, he's only had 1 AB in A ball so I could be getting ahead of myself.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I'm not betting on any of this, but Baseball America had Francisco as the number 8 prospect in the Reds organization. Somebody over there thinks his OBP can improve.
    Somebody over at BA must have the belief than Juan Francisco will have the abiilty to completely alter his approach at the plate.

    Remember, poor plate discipline doesn't just mean no walks; it also means lousy batting counts. Hitters with poor discipline get themselves into pitcher's counts too many times and get themselves into hitter's counts too few times. And not even Barry Bonds or Albert Pujols were good hitters in pitcher's counts.
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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Somebody over at BA must have the belief than Juan Francisco will have the abiilty to completely alter his approach at the plate.

    Remember, poor plate discipline doesn't just mean no walks; it also means lousy batting counts. Hitters with poor discipline get themselves into pitcher's counts too many times and get themselves into hitter's counts too few times. And not even Barry Bonds or Albert Pujols were good hitters in pitcher's counts.

    Well, Francisco hit .268 over a full season. He didn't hit .210. He showed enough overall hitting ability and pitch recognition to compile a pretty good average for a power hitter.

    He needs to get more patient and get more walks, but folks are underestimating his performance.

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Well, Francisco hit .268 over a full season. He didn't hit .210. He showed enough overall hitting ability and pitch recognition to compile a pretty good average for a power hitter.

    He needs to get more patient and get more walks, but folks are underestimating his performance.
    The dude had a .463 slugging percentage, and quite frankly, that's nothing to brag about for a power hitter.

    I don't care what his batting average is, but if his on-base percentage is awful, then he needs some value in the slugging department. And unfortunately, his poor plate discipline will seriously cap his slugging potential.
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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I don't expect this player to become a table setter, he's not going to be Ichiro. But if he has a .325 OBP this guy can be a terrific power hitter lower in the lineup.
    Sounds like Brandon Phillips!
    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

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    Re: Redszone Community Prospect Vote #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Well, Francisco hit .268 over a full season. He didn't hit .210. He showed enough overall hitting ability and pitch recognition to compile a pretty good average for a power hitter.

    He needs to get more patient and get more walks, but folks are underestimating his performance.
    His HR count was high but look at his OPS. His SLG wasn't stellar because when he wasn't hitting homers, he wasn't doing much of anything.

    His ISO was .192. Valaika was at .186 while hitting .300 and playing a tougher defensive position. But Chris hasn't garnered a single vote in this poll. I'll grant the age difference.

    However, I think there are guys on this list who have shown more than just power and a nice defensive arm who deserve to go ahead of him.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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