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    Here we go...Haren/D'backs get Haren

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    During the Winter Meetings, there wasn't much talk of the Indians or Reds pursuing Oakland starter Dan Haren. However, there's buzz that both Ohio teams might have interest. It's a blurry line between "Haren would be a good fit on this team" and "this team inquired on Haren," however.

    It seems the Tribe has crossed the line and did at least inquire on Haren. I say this because of Susan Slusser's article today, where she notes that Asdrubal Cabrera was "believed to be an A's target." The Indians don't want to part with the young infielder, a player they stole from the Mariners in June of 2006 for Eduardo Perez.

    Slusser believes the Reds "might turn their focus toward Haren with an offer that could include starter Homer Bailey" if they can't get Erik Bedard. Slusser's report is unclear whether Wayne Krivsky has had conversations with Billy Beane about Haren. Ken Rosenthal says the Reds are "pushing for Haren," which does indicate talks.

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    Rosenthal adds: The Reds are pushing for Haren as well as Bedard, apparently believing that they could acquire such a pitcher without including outfielder Jay Bruce in the deal. A package centered around Homer Bailey and Joey Votto might not be enough, but the Reds' reluctance to part with Bruce is understandable. One rival G.M. says Bruce could be another Larry Walker.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7...0813162&ATT=49

    Bailey, Votto, and Stubbs or Roenicke for Haren- I like. Time for a new thread?
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    Re: Here we go...Haren

    I'd offer Bailey, Votto, and another prospect. I'd even be willing to include Cueto if negotiations went that far.
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    Just so its clear and asked early, he's in the same situation as Bronson, ie was not eligible for free agency when he signed his LTC and can NOT opt out, correct?

    I would like to get Haren. Hamilton and Cueto work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    Just so its clear and asked early, he's in the same situation as Bronson, ie was not eligible for free agency when he signed his LTC and can NOT opt out, correct?

    I would like to get Haren. Hamilton and Cueto work for me.
    Does Homer/Votto/someone else work for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Does Homer/Votto/someone else work for you?
    I wouldn't lead with that offer, but I've got more like of Homer than most here I believe.

    My initial offer would be Hammy/Cueto/suspect.

    I'd be willing to go up to Homer/Hammy/suspect next.

    Then Homer/Votto/suspect.

    By suspect I'm think Lecure, Pelland, Watson....someone not top 10 from our list since they are already getting two of our top 10 with Homer and Votto being most mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph View Post
    Just so its clear and asked early, he's in the same situation as Bronson, ie was not eligible for free agency when he signed his LTC and can NOT opt out, correct?

    I would like to get Haren. Hamilton and Cueto work for me.
    I believe it's a function of service time. I think if you have 6 years of service time when traded, and you have a multiyear contract you can opt out at the end of the season.. That's the situation Neagle was in.

    Now, I think it's service time when traded, not when the contract is signed. But I could be wrong.

    Also, I seem to remember reading something about baseball tweaking that rule since Neagle used it as leverage against the REds, but I'm not 100% sure.
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    Re: Here we go...Haren

    I'd obviously like Haren, but can Cincy afford trading two top tier prospects for him?

    I just don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I'd obviously like Haren, but can Cincy afford trading two top tier prospects for him?

    I just don't know.
    They can't afford not to.

    The Reds will be lucky if either Bailey or Cueto develops into the pitcher that Haren is today (or Bedard, for that matter).

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I would hate to see this deal being equated to the Mulder deal in a few years.
    I'd hate for Bailey and Cueto to flame out (or worse, develop into nothing more than mediocre pitchers) and leave the Reds wondering what might have been.

    You have to take risks sometimes. I think Haren is a good gamble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    They can't afford not to.

    The Reds will be lucky if either Bailey or Cueto develops into the pitcher that Haren is today (or Bedard, for that matter).



    I'd hate for Bailey and Cueto to flame out (or worse, develop into nothing more than mediocre pitchers) and leave the Reds wondering what might have been.

    You have to take risks sometimes. I think Haren is a good gamble.
    The Cardinals thought the same thing about Mulder. I can't see both Bailey AND Cueto for Haren. One sure, but not both.
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    I'd try to see if I could offer a package including either Griffey or Dunn to Beane. Keep in mind, Oakland has been rumored to be interested in signing Bonds. At this point, either Griffey or Dunn would be an upgrade over Bonds as a DH/OF.

    So, how about Dunn/Griffey and Cueto for Haren?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoReds View Post
    I'd try to see if I could offer a package including either Griffey or Dunn to Beane. Keep in mind, Oakland has been rumored to be interested in signing Bonds. At this point, either Griffey or Dunn would be an upgrade over Bonds as a DH/OF.

    So, how about Dunn/Griffey and Cueto for Haren?
    Knowing Beane and the philosophy he follows, there is no way he'd even consider such a deal that takes on two high-priced players on the payroll, and one who is at the end of his career and whose performance has dropped. He dumps/trades away these types of players before they get that expensive.

    That is one of the reasons why he may be offering Haren (and others), and to rebuild with talented, inexpensive prospects.
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    Re: Here we go...Haren

    I would hate to see this deal being equated to the Mulder deal in a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I would hate to see this deal being equated to the Mulder deal in a few years.
    I would love to see this deal being equated to the Hudson deal in a few years.
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    Re: Here we go...Haren

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I would hate to see this deal being equated to the Mulder deal in a few years.
    There is a risk of a prospect trade becoming a win for the other team in any deal and the young established vet breaking down. Mulder did give St. Looey a good year his first year before breaking down. With that said, I make a starting pitching prospect for young vet starting pitcher with a good track record and good stuff, like Haren has, every day and twice on Sunday.

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    Re: Here we go...Haren

    I like Haren better than Bedard, because of the years and the $$$. But I would not deal both Bailey and Cueto.
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