The Reds would have had a rotation of
with Miguel Cabrera manning 3B instead of Encarnacion, while still holding on to Bruce and Hamilton. I think no matter what happens in the next couple of months, this scenario would have far exceeded whatever the Reds will end up with. Maybe you're right, maybe Wayne just missed the boat, but I can't imagine the Fish really value Bailey and Votto as much as the return they got from Detroit.
I think right now, that Bruce is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room when it comes to the Reds hunt for a starter. I think his potential is so great that no GM is going to deal a prime starter without seeing if they can't sweat him out of WK.
I think that guys like Hamilton, Cueto, Votto & Hamilton still have quite a bit of value and the Reds have a number of attractive"secondary pieces" too. In the end, if WK sticks to his guns, I think he can land a decent top three type starter for a deal he can live with.
Looking back at my "roll your own" post, a GM could come up with a deal of say, Hamilton, Bailey, Stubbs and Roenicke - pretty steep, but I'd still do it for Bedard, Haren or Kazmir.
Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong
I'm witchcrafting everybody.
Would anyone do Bailey and Cueto straight up for Bedard, Haren, or Kazmir? No frills, two for one?
Last edited by corkedbat; 12-12-2007 at 11:16 AM.
I wonder if the Reds could get BOTH Haren AND Bedard. I'd give up Bailey, Cueto, Bruce and others for that.
Pie in the sky thinking, though.
Sabermetrics can be boiled down to this simple truism: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.