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    Reds looking at Haren

    From Lance's blog

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    The Reds are pushing for Haren as well as Bedard, apparently believing that they could acquire such a pitcher without including outfielder Jay Bruce in the deal. A package centered around Homer Bailey and Joey Votto might not be enough, but the Reds' reluctance to part with Bruce is understandable. One rival G.M. says Bruce could be another Larry Walker . .
    Wayne must be reading Redszone. All the names that have been brought up here keep showing up as potential targets.

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    Re: Reds looking at Haren

    Haren seems like a better fit for the Reds than Bedard. However, same question applies... what do the Reds have to give up to make such a trade? I agree with the article that Votto and Bailey probably are not enough. As long as we don't burn Bailey AND Cueto, Kriv will pull the trigger on the deal.

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    God... no please... he's going to cost to many prospects.

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    Re: Reds looking at Haren

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamDunn View Post
    God... no please... he's going to cost to many prospects.
    When do we want to win? Now? MAYBE later with the prospects? Harang and Haren would dominate not only the Central but the National League.. Im not an advocate of giving up all of our prospects, but if we have to give up Bailey/Cueto, Hamilton?Votto and others for a legit ace, why not? He is not a Denny Naegle or a Brett Tomko.. He is an ace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cowboy View Post
    When do we want to win? Now? MAYBE later with the prospects? Harang and Haren would dominate not only the Central but the National League.. Im not an advocate of giving up all of our prospects, but if we have to give up Bailey/Cueto, Hamilton?Votto and others for a legit ace, why not? He is not a Denny Naegle or a Brett Tomko.. He is an ace.
    how about, for sure later with prospects. That is why they are called the Big Four. We are pretty much assured that at LEAST 2 out of the four will be top of the line baseball players. Just be patient. Why do we need to trade prospects to get players when we can sign players and keep the prospects. I'd rather sign a player than trade for them. This years FA market is slim. But just wait until someone like Webb, Haren, Bedard, Kazmir, or someone of that nature to go FA and jump on them like cats on tunafish. That's what the Mets have done. They kept Wright and Reyes and signed Martinez, Beltran, Wagner and a host of other legit players.

    If we trade prospects, we win now for a short while. We keep the prospects, we lose now for the short run but we win later for the long run. I'd rather have the later of the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamDunn View Post
    how about, for sure later with prospects. That is why they are called the Big Four. We are pretty much assured that at LEAST 2 out of the four will be top of the line baseball players. Just be patient. Why do we need to trade prospects to get players when we can sign players and keep the prospects. I'd rather sign a player than trade for them. This years FA market is slim. But just wait until someone like Webb, Haren, Bedard, Kazmir, or someone of that nature to go FA and jump on them like cats on tunafish. That's what the Mets have done. They kept Wright and Reyes and signed Martinez, Beltran, Wagner and a host of other legit players.

    If we trade prospects, we win now for a short while. We keep the prospects, we lose now for the short run but we win later for the long run. I'd rather have the later of the two.
    I would contend that nothing is for sure with prospects. This of course is why the Reds scouting department needs to be top notch. Just remember, not one of these guys has done anything top of the line yet in the bigs. I certainly hope they are great for the Reds...but remember...nothing is certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    I would contend that nothing is for sure with prospects. This of course is why the Reds scouting department needs to be top notch. Just remember, not one of these guys has done anything top of the line yet in the bigs. I certainly hope they are great for the Reds...but remember...nothing is certain.
    Nothing is certain with veteran players either. Look at Willis, Martinez, AJ Burnett, Matt Clement, Prior, Wood, the list goes on. But I'd rather have four uncertain high ceiling, low cost prospects who have a good chance (66.7%~ I'd say) of panning out than one veteran, soon to be expensive veteran pitcher who has a high chance of staying the same way (85%~) and two low cost prospects. Not to mention we don't even know how long we'd have Haren/Bedard. with prospects, if they pan out, we have them for seven years, four of them at low cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamDunn View Post
    how about, for sure later with prospects. That is why they are called the Big Four. We are pretty much assured that at LEAST 2 out of the four will be top of the line baseball players. Just be patient. Why do we need to trade prospects to get players when we can sign players and keep the prospects. I'd rather sign a player than trade for them. This years FA market is slim. But just wait until someone like Webb, Haren, Bedard, Kazmir, or someone of that nature to go FA and jump on them like cats on tunafish. That's what the Mets have done. They kept Wright and Reyes and signed Martinez, Beltran, Wagner and a host of other legit players.

    If we trade prospects, we win now for a short while. We keep the prospects, we lose now for the short run but we win later for the long run. I'd rather have the later of the two.
    This is why you consider trading your prospects: http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64045

    Adam Dunn and Austin Kearns were deemed non-tradeable when they were prospects.........how'd that turn out? Half this board or more than half wants to trade Adam Dunn.

    I would say other than Dunn, none of those prospects met all the hype surrounding them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    This is why you consider trading your prospects: http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64045

    Adam Dunn and Austin Kearns were deemed non-tradeable when they were prospects.........how'd that turn out? Half this board or more than half wants to trade Adam Dunn.

    I would say other than Dunn, none of those prospects met all the hype surrounding them.
    Those guys weren't pitching prospects... I can't post threads yet, so could you please post a poll asking who would trade Adam Dunn... I certainly wouldn't...
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    Re: Reds looking at Haren

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamDunn View Post
    how about, for sure later with prospects. That is why they are called the Big Four. We are pretty much assured that at LEAST 2 out of the four will be top of the line baseball players. Just be patient. Why do we need to trade prospects to get players when we can sign players and keep the prospects. I'd rather sign a player than trade for them. This years FA market is slim. But just wait until someone like Webb, Haren, Bedard, Kazmir, or someone of that nature to go FA and jump on them like cats on tunafish. That's what the Mets have done. They kept Wright and Reyes and signed Martinez, Beltran, Wagner and a host of other legit players.

    If we trade prospects, we win now for a short while. We keep the prospects, we lose now for the short run but we win later for the long run. I'd rather have the later of the two.
    Very well thought out Adam. I couldn't agree with you more. The Reds are now blessed with young, emerging stars in Jay Bruce, Josh Hamilton, Joey Votto, Homer Bailey and also Cueto, Maloney, Roenicke, Dickenson(sp?) and others in the Reds latest Top 10 minor leaguers.

    I keep my cheap, young players and sign the free agent (when available) of 1 from Haren, Kazmir and Bedard or other top notch pitchers that are FA's. Griffey's contract comes off the books next year as long as the Reds don't accept Jr.'s option for '09. These young guys are golden and other GM's know it but won't own up to it. They want to make Wayne Krivsky believe their pitcher is the best pitcher in Major League history, which we know they're not.

    People need to realize that there is no one to replace 1st baseman Joey Votto's mega-talent in the minors. No, Don't put Dunn at 1st. Brandon Phillips will be worn out running for fly pop fouls. The Mets plan is the best plan as far as holding onto your own guys and bidding for the best players. The Cincinnati Reds ownership and its fanbase can and will compete for these terribly high priced pitchers in order to maintain years of competing instead of a one year possibility of winning (Santana-unless he would sign for at least 5 years here). I have seen Bruce, Votto, Hamilton and Bailey play in person and each one can dominate a game. The cost in player exchange is way to high (Even Astros fans are lamenting the 5 for 1 trade for Miguel Tejada) so going the free-agency route is the best way.

    Sit tight in '08. See what else can shake out. Get Bailey and Cueto established in the rotation. Then go for it BIG-TIME for the 2008 free agents!!!

    It's a Win-Win proposition!!!
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    Re: Reds looking at Haren

    Why not Harden in stead of Haren?

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    Re: Reds looking at Haren

    you almost have to take haren or bedard if you can get them. In my opinion if you get one of those two, you might as well start printing the playoff tickets now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mroby85 View Post
    you almost have to take haren or bedard if you can get them. In my opinion if you get one of those two, you might as well start printing the playoff tickets now.
    until Bedard gets hurt again...
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    Re: Reds looking at Haren

    in today's Cleveland PD, there is an article about the Tribe trying to acquire Haren from the A's. The article says that the Indians figure that it would take one player of the 25 man (Asdrubal Cabrera?), and one near MLB prospect to acquire Haren.

    from this article, I would think that Hamilton/Votto and Bailey would be better than what the Tribe could offer

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    you would think so, i wonder if the reds are willing to give up bailey and votto/hamilton though, i know i would be hesitant.


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