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    If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Lets hypothetically say that Hamilton is dealt in a deal to aquire Haren, Bedard or whomever. I think most people have assumed Hamilton hits leadoff for Dusty this year, so what happens if Hamilton isn't here?

    Without Hamilton, one of three things will happen.

    1. Norris Hopper or Ryan Freel holds the job down until Jay Bruce is deemed "ready".
    2. The Reds sign Mike Cameron to a two year deal.
    3. The Reds give the keys to Jay Bruce.

    If option one happens, then you would assume Hopper/Freel would hit leadoff everyday, and redszone would melt down. If either two or three happens, your team would look something like this:

    C: Ross
    1B: Votto
    2B: Phillips
    SS: Gonzalez
    3B: Encarnacion
    LF: Dunn
    CF: Cameron/Bruce
    RF: Griffey

    Who hits leadoff among the group? Phillips seems the most likely, but we all know his plate approach is swing, swing, and then swing some more. Votto isn't your traditional leadoff hitter (although neither was Hamilton), and after that I'm not sure you would even consider hitting any of theother guys leadoff.

    So if Hamilton goes, who is the leadoff man?

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    I think it fully depends on the look of the team when the dust clears

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    I think you'd have to go with Phillips.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    1B Votto
    3B Encarnacion
    LF Dunn (or RF Griffey)
    RF Griffey (or LF Dunn)
    CF Bruce
    2B Phillips
    C Ross
    SS Gonzalez

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    1B Votto
    3B Encarnacion
    LF Dunn (or RF Griffey)
    RF Griffey (or LF Dunn)
    CF Bruce
    2B Phillips
    C Ross
    SS Gonzalez

    It's what I'd do. It's also what we'll never see for even one game in 2008.
    I like that.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    1B Votto
    3B Encarnacion
    LF Dunn (or RF Griffey)
    RF Griffey (or LF Dunn)
    CF Bruce
    2B Phillips
    C Ross
    SS Gonzalez

    It's what I'd do. It's also what we'll never see for even one game in 2008.
    I like that as well. Phillips will never hit that low in the order though. Votto and EE will probably never hit that high either.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Unfortunately I could see Hopper written at the top of the lineup card far more often than I'd care to see.

    Should Baker do the right thing, and not start Hopper on a regular basis (should Hamilton be traded), then the leading candidates would be Votto or Phillips. I guess?

    I would prefer Votto before Phillips for the leadoff spot. Phillips would be a low OBP, semi-decent SLG out making machine at the top of the lineup.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    I think the idea that we'd sign Cameron is laughable, frankly -- though I know the rumor that we were interested was floating around mlbtraderumors or some such.

    vR
    1B: Votto
    LF: Dunn
    RF: Griffey
    CF: Bruce
    3B: Encarnacion
    2B: Phillips
    SS: Gonzalez
    C: Ross

    vL:
    3B: Encarnacion
    LF: Dunn
    2B: Phillips
    RF: Griffey
    CF: Bruce
    1B: Votto
    SS: Gonzalez
    C: Ross

    If Dusty bats Phillips higher than 5th against righties -- ever -- I'm going to flip.

    I really don't care about going R/L/R/L unless I have two comprable players. I'll design my lineup to beat up the starter and make their LOOGY irrelevant.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 12-12-2007 at 07:00 PM.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    I like that as well. Phillips will never hit that low in the order though. Votto and EE will probably never hit that high either.
    Yeah I don't see Phillips hitting that low either. It would make alot of sense to bat Votto leadoff instead of the middle/bottom of the order becuase of the absurd amount of lefties we have.

    1B Votto
    2B Phillips
    LF Dunn
    RF Griffey
    3B Encarnacion
    CF Bruce
    SS Gonzalez
    C Ross

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    1B Votto
    3B Encarnacion
    LF Dunn (or RF Griffey)
    RF Griffey (or LF Dunn)
    CF Bruce
    2B Phillips
    C Ross
    SS Gonzalez

    It's what I'd do. It's also what we'll never see for even one game in 2008.
    It certainly couldn't hurt much more than nearly any of the other possibilities. Although I like the idea of protecting Bruce, I think BP has earned the right to hit higher. But more importantly BP probably feels the same way.

    But here's what I would do.

    CF Bruce
    2B BP
    LF Dunn
    RF Griffey
    3B EEE
    1B Votto
    SS Gonzo
    C Ross/Javy
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    It certainly couldn't hurt much more than nearly any of the other possibilities. Although I like the idea of protecting Bruce, I think BP has earned the right to hit higher. But more importantly BP probably feels the same way.

    But here's what I would do.

    CF Bruce
    2B BP
    LF Dunn
    RF Griffey
    3B EEE
    1B Votto
    SS Gonzo
    C Ross/Javy
    Phillips makes too many outs for my liking. Dude had what everyone considers a phenomenal year last year, and he still had a PA/Out ratio of 1.39. Edwin Encarnacion had what many consider to be a bit of a disappointing year, and he had a PA/Out ratio of 1.53, which is considerably better than Phillips' 1.39.

    Phillips is a decent power hitter, especially for his position, and offers a different look on the bases with his speed. But I just don't want that ratio of outs anywhere near the top of the lineup.

    Fewer outs ===> more baserunners ===> more runs, even if it isn't in the most flashy way.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I think the idea that we'd sign Cameron is laughable, frankly -- though I know the rumor that we were interested was floating around mlbtraderumors or some such.
    I think some of these rumors are no more than a team showing up on a lot, looking around, kicking a few tires, etc.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    For those who might not be aware, here BP's spits for 06 and 07 combined:

    vR: 916 PA, .265/.312/.448
    VL: 373 PA, .324/.367/.532

    Phillips has earned the right to hit higher in the order versus lefties. Versus righties, he needs to learn how to get on base before hitting any higher than 6th.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 12-12-2007 at 07:05 PM.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    It certainly couldn't hurt much more than nearly any of the other possibilities. Although I like the idea of protecting Bruce, I think BP has earned the right to hit higher. But more importantly BP probably feels the same way.

    But here's what I would do.

    CF Bruce
    2B BP
    LF Dunn
    RF Griffey
    3B EEE
    1B Votto
    SS Gonzo
    C Ross/Javy
    Going off of minor league stats only last year (I'm not even including Votto's insane September in Cincy) I think I would rather have Votto's 110-70 K/BB ratio hitting leadoff then Bruce's 135-47 K/BB ratio. If there is one concern about Bruce, it's his K's compared to his walks.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    I will add this ...

    If the lineup starts off with Votto, Encarnacion, Dunn, Griffey (or Griffey, Dunn), the serious potential exists that there could be four straight .370+ on-base percentages batting in front of Jay Bruce and Brandon Phillips.

    That would result in some serious run scoring.
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