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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    But BP is fast and therefore a run SCORER and not a run DRIVERINER. And, Dunn the opposite. I'm sure Dusty will be happy to explain this to us.
    Can't have Votto and EdE clogging up those basepaths...
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    Phillips' batting average was 12 points higher, he was hit by six more pitches, and he had one fewer sacrifice fly. That's why his on-base percentage was a few ticks higher.

    Vlad's a hack, but gets pitched around enough and has enough plate discipline to lay off really BAD pitches that he'll still draw 60 walks a year when added into his intentional walks. Phillips would have to nearly double his total to reach that.

    Tony Gwynn was just a freak of nature who batted .338 lifetime.

    I am not going to even get any further into this discussion I see where it's heading. Bat Votto 1st by all means.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Freel, or maybe EE

    Phillips there would be a waste of the right handed power source
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Bob Boone (and Raisor) was right. Adam Dunn for leadoff!
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Times like this get me thinkin how much I'll hate Dusty Baker this seaosn. You know he's gonna throw Hopper out there at lead off everyday.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by LvJ View Post
    Times like this get me thinkin how much I'll hate Dusty Baker this seaosn. You know he's gonna throw Hopper out there at lead off everyday.
    Gonzalez batting 2nd anyone? because SS's bat 2nd
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by LvJ View Post
    Times like this get me thinkin how much I'll hate Dusty Baker this seaosn. You know he's gonna throw Hopper out there at lead off everyday.
    Convert Hopper to catcher, and I'm all over Hopper leading off.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    I can't wait to hear about it when it actually happens.

    Oh, I already am.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Gonzalez batting 2nd anyone? because SS's bat 2nd
    Middle infielders bat 2nd and catchers bat 8th. (eveybody knows that)

    It's part of the code of playing by "The Book".

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    The absolute last thing I would expect out of Brandon Phillips is to improve his plate discipline. He had 115 more plate appearances in 2007 than he did in 2006, and he actually took two fewer walks.

    Brandon Phillips is the epitome of a Mr. Swing-at-Everything. Nothing I have ever seen from him indicates that will ever change.

    Votto's PA/Out ratio in Louisville last season was 1.54; with the Reds in September it was 1.56. It wouldn't shock me if Joey Votto posts an on-base percentage more than 20 points higher than Brandon Phillips in 2008. Wouldn't shock me one bit.
    If Votto has the same amount of PAs in 2008 as Phillips did this past year, he would need to reach base roughly 13 more times than Phillips did to have a 20 point advantage.

    That equates to less than once every two weeks.

    I've seen this argument made many times when batting average is brought up. Same thing applies here.

    Carry on.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    The ability of Keppinger to fit nicely into the leadoff position is one reason I'd be willing to pursue the idea of Encarnacion to San Francisco for pitching.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by KronoRed View Post
    Gonzalez batting 2nd anyone? because SS's bat 2nd
    Very logical in the eyes of Dusty.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    I'm bracing myself for Phillips leading off and Gonzalez batting second regardless of whether or not Hamilton is traded.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by pahster View Post
    I'm bracing myself for Phillips leading off and Gonzalez batting second regardless of whether or not Hamilton is traded.
    That's a lot of outs at the top.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    That's a lot of outs at the top.
    But it's decent speed and very few base clogging walks -- that's the important thing, right?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.


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