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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    But it's decent speed and very few base clogging walks -- that's the important thing, right?
    That's the key. Make contact and run fast. Nothing worse than a slow guy drawing a walk.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    That's the key. Make contact and run fast. Nothing worse than a slow guy drawing a walk.
    Well, a slow guy making an out is worse.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Dusty Baker's got a clear history on this, if you play CF, you hit leadoff. If Hamilton's in CF, he's the leadoff hitter. If someone else is in CF, then that's the leadoff hitter.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    Well, a slow guy making an out is worse.
    Depends on how he makes an out. If it's a sharp groundball to SS, that's alright because he put the ball in play and he's not clogging up the bases.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    I think some of these rumors are no more than a team showing up on a lot, looking around, kicking a few tires, etc.

    I hope you're right. The thought of spending that kind of money on a 35-year old .250 hitter (talk about making a lot of outs--his OBP keeps dropping) is apalling to say the least. I'd much rather have banjo-hitting Hopper in there every day. He's cheaper and would likely be on base more.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Dusty Baker's got a clear history on this, if you play CF, you hit leadoff. If Hamilton's in CF, he's the leadoff hitter. If someone else is in CF, then that's the leadoff hitter.
    If CF is a Hamilton/Freel/Hopper platoon, that's not a bad thing. Fingers crossed, eh?
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    If CF is a Hamilton/Freel/Hopper platoon, that's not a bad thing. Fingers crossed, eh?
    Generally speaking, OF have some offensive talent. So Dusty's CF-leadoff proclivity is based on a fairly sound principle. Obviously it can fail on the particulars (e.g. Juan Pierre in 2005), but most OFs have to hit to put food on the table.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    I see Hopper as more of a #2 hitter than a leadoff guy. With a runner on first he can either sacrifice the runner to 2nd or drag it for a base hit. Then you have some ducks on the pond for Jr, Dunn, etc. With no one on base, I think Hopper's bunting ability is less of a weapon since he's somewhat walk averse.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    That's a lot of outs at the top.
    And a colossal waste of Phillips HR power.
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Bump.

    This now becomes a serious topic of discussion.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Barring another acquisition, I'd say Phillips or Gonzalez. Not that I would do that.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    If Bruce is the lineup, it's going to be interesting. Phillips I imagine will get first crack at it due to his speed and playing the middle IF. That said, I don't think Bruce starts the season with the Reds. I think we're looking at Freel or Hopper.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Hopper
    Phillips
    Griffey
    Dunn
    EE
    Votto
    Gonzalez
    Ross

    Barring further changes, that's my guess of the opening day lineup. If Dusty is R/L/R obsessed (and I fear he might be)

    Hopper
    Phillips
    Griffey
    EE
    Dunn
    Gonzalez
    Votto
    Ross

    My version of the non-Bruce lineup is:
    EE
    Dunn
    Griffey
    Phillips
    Votto
    Ross
    Gonzalez
    Hopper

    But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that won't happen.
    Last edited by RedsManRick; 12-21-2007 at 06:05 PM.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    I like Votto
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    Re: If Hamilton is traded, who hits leadoff?

    Votto
    Phillips
    Griffey
    Dunn
    EE
    Bruce
    Gonzalez
    Ross

    would be mine


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