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The 2nd part doesn't exactly say a whole lot, they had about 2 or 3 prospects worth even considering above A ball last year. That said I still like him just beginning to get on the fence about him.
Sorry to hear about that Fantasy loss though. I am in 3 Championship games this coming weekend though and it's about time. I am the Dan Marino of Fantasy Football, been playing since the early nineties and have always been a dominant scorer in the regular season but get to the playoffs and choke with the exception of 2 championships I co-GM'ed. So I finally decided to take another approach to the regular season the last few years and here I am on the doorstep of greatness.
Roenicke is quickly becoming one of the board's most overrated prospects. He's not in that rarefied Milton Loo territory, but he's pretty far up the list.
Well, I wouldn't have put him that high, but the board is in good company. Baseball America liked him well enough to rank him 9th.
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What's interesting to me, and what is frustrating about these kind of lists, is that they have the appearance of being interval. That somehow the difference between 7 and 12 is the same as the difference between 2 and 7. Or worse, the difference between 5 and 20 versus 25 and 40. In reality, I've got say I'm more comfortable with something like the Sickels approach, with tiers instead of the interval one vs. another.
A-: Cueto, Votto
B+: Bailey, Frazier
B: Maloney, Moreseco
B-: Stubbs, Lotzkar, Dorn
C+: Burton, Pelland, Viola, Wood, Roenicke, Carroll, Valaika, Rosales, Watson, Waring
You can see the pyramid of talent so much more clearly. I feel like we could do this again tomorrow and our 8 through 20 could be completely backwards.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
There might be an obvious answer to this question but I can't see it. Assuming Votto is rated so highly, why is everyone so eager to trade him? I understand that first baseman are easier prospects to replace than other positions, but it has been years since the Reds developed a good one. I would have to think Tony Perez was the last good one we had. There really is no way of telling when we will develop an equally talented prospect, and for that reason I am not eager to trade Joey Votto.
What I see that gives the argument of Pelland over Roenicke, is Pelland is younger (23 vs. 24), has pitched 4 times as many innings since being converted to a reliever vs. Roenicke converted from a position player, and pitched impressively at AA and AAA last season vs. Roenicke only 19 innings at AA.
I am not saying Roenicke will not be good and I agree with the point that he is just recently converted, but him being #7 and Pelland barely getting a sniff at #18 is flat out ridiculous.
Everyone should take this poll for what it is. (Speculation & Hope)
I wouldn't be surpised if the Reds drafted or traded for my old butt, that I wouldn't show up in this poll. ( I'll soon be 54 years friggin old)
Tony Perez spent the bulk of his time in the minors as a middle infielder. We never know for sure.. do we?
Last edited by Ron Madden; 12-19-2007 at 03:02 AM.
Here is why Roenicke is overrated. The kid has only pitched for a little under 2 years. He did very well in high A but once the second half of the year came along he couldnt stay healthy. Yes he throws smoke, yes he has a nasty knuckle curve. But will the kid be able to stay healthy???? He struggled to do so in his first full year having to miss most of the second half and then missed the entire AZFL. He struggled when he had to go back to back days out of the pen. Dont you think that you need a reliever that can be a horse for you. Look at Weathers for the Reds. The guys has below average stuff but he can pitch! and he get in a TON of games. Thats what i want in a reliever. I want a work horse.
I'm not trying to rile any feathers, but I think stormyfan25 may be a troll.
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