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    Catcher situation

    I wonder if the Reds are strongly considering going after a catcher before spring training. Obviously we could (and probably will) go into the season with a R/L platoon of Ross and Valentin, but this front office likes carrying three catchers and it wouldn't surprise me if they went out and got someone that we aren't expecting. But if they do it, I hope it's someone who has a good chance at winning the full-time job and not another Chad Kroeger.

    Or maybe we could get Joe Oliver on some HGH and bring him back. He owes it to himself. Haha.

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    Re: Catcher situation

    Quote Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey View Post
    I wonder if the Reds are strongly considering going after a catcher before spring training. Obviously we could (and probably will) go into the season with a R/L platoon of Ross and Valentin, but this front office likes carrying three catchers and it wouldn't surprise me if they went out and got someone that we aren't expecting. But if they do it, I hope it's someone who has a good chance at winning the full-time job and not another Chad Kroeger.

    Or maybe we could get Joe Oliver on some HGH and bring him back. He owes it to himself. Haha.

    You mean Chad Moeller.

    I doubt it, because we already have a pretty tight bench situation.

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    I doubt we have room to carry a thrid cather unless we have injuries.

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    I really hope the Reds dont sign a professional singer to play catcher also. I am perfectly fine with Ross as the starter though. If we can upgrade, fine, but I wouldn't pay much for an upgrade.

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    Even if they are going to go the singer route, they may as well get someone better than Kroeger. That would be a complete waste and make him even in the most optimistic scenarios, the 2nd best singer on the team.

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    Since Krivsky is so fond of veterans, perhaps Meatloaf might make a good candidate for a singing catcher. I think think he could probably scare a few guys back to 3rd.

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    Jerry Narron was the one who liked three catchers, as soon as he was gone so was the third receiver.

    Dusty Baker probably could care less. Narron was over the top about it.

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    Re: Catcher situation

    i was unhappy Javy was re-signed. weak glove and weakening bat. at this point however i think Ross/Javy is a go for 2008.
    i don't see us getting a 3rd catcher.
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    Re: Catcher situation

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    i don't see us getting a 3rd catcher.
    Hell, I'd like to see the Reds get a 1st catcher! Catchers 2A and 2B (Ross and Valentin) leave a lot to be desired and little or no hope for improvement over '07 performance. More likely, an overall decline.

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    I think Ross will bounce back a bit offensive, given his historically unlucky 2007 to put up something like: .240/.320/.450. His plate discipline was solid. His ISO SLG was just fine. He just had a ton of balls hit in to play turn in to outs that shouldn't have. The guy had a .228 BABIP despite an 18.5% LD%. That's almost impossible.

    Given his ability to shut down the running game, a bounce back to the midpoint of his 06 and 07 numbers makes him an above average catcher on a per game basis.

    Valentin didn't really struggle per se' or anything. He just is what he is; a 32 year old guy who keeps a roster spot thanks to being not horrible at hitting from both sides of the plate and capable of not killing you at catcher or 1B defensively.

    I'd make Ross my primary catcher and use Valentin only to give him a breather or if there's one specific guy in the rotation he works well with. Valentin isn't exactly better versus righties than Ross (.735 OPS vs .716 OPS), so it's not like there's a platoon advantage to be gained.

    I just don't understand the "we need a real catcher" argument. Anybody know of a plus defending catcher with an .800 OPS floating around that won't be terribly expensive to pick up? You want Rod Barajas? Damian Miller? Paul LoDuca just got $5M and his OPS was sub .700 last year at age 34.

    Complaining about Ross as our catcher is like complaining about Belisle as a 5th starter or Alex Gonazlez as our SS. He's not perfect, but there's a lot of upside and do you have a cost-efficient idea likely to give us move value?
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    I just don't understand the "we need a real catcher" argument.
    Johnny Bench ruined the Reds fan base when it comes to catchers, they have unrealistic ideals when thinking about what a catcher can do and what most of them actually do.

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    Dave Ross is a platoon catcher. Play him too much against RHPs and he'll get exposed. What the Reds need is for Krivsky to find a catcher the way he landed Brandon Phillips and Josh Hamilton.
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    Re: Catcher situation

    Catcher is really a weak and thin position in the MLB. There aren't a lot of teams that have a better catching situation or more depth. There are a lot more important needs on this team, so they might as well focus on them.

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    Re: Catcher situation

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Jerry Narron was the one who liked three catchers, as soon as he was gone so was the third receiver.

    Dusty Baker probably could care less. Narron was over the top about it.

    I wonder why Jerry wanted to carry three catchers.

    Do you think it was because Narron was often the back up to the back up catcher?

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    I just don't understand the "we need a real catcher" argument.
    Try to think about a baseball game without having to look at numbers first before you can tell if a guy can play or not. Try to think of sitting in the stands after say, six innings of watching the Reds throw, hit and catch the ball. And, if you are even somewhat observant, you'll say or think to yourself, 'geez, the Reds could really improve their team if they could find a better catcher'. That's just the reality of it. (shrug)

    I expect to see a (marginal) upswing from Ross this year simply because his '07 season was so bad. Then again, his '06 season was probably his career year. In the end, what Ross is, has always really ever been and always should be is a backup catcher.

    Personally, I think it's about a 95% chance that Ross and Valentin are the guys the Reds will start the season with simply because there isn't a lot of catching available around the bigs at the moment. That doesn't mean we should pretend that it's not a position you wouldn't like to get better at though.

    The Tigers took a gamble on Pudge a couple of years ago and it paid off well for them. In the post-Bench era there have been times when the Reds have been able to make a pickup here and there that has improved them at the position for awhile---Diaz, Santiago, Taubensee. Ross was that pickup in '06. But, as I said before, he's a career backup catcher and that's what the Reds are trotting out there to start the game usually.

    I'd love to have Russell Martin in a Reds uni but that's probably an even longer shot than seeing Eric Bedard wearing the wishbone C. I can dream though.

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