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    Who led Reds starters

    a. in winning percentage;
    b. had the 3rd best era;
    c. won half his starts; and
    d. is not under consideration for
    a no. 4 or no. 5 spot in the
    2008 rotation? hmmmmmm
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    Re: Who led Reds starters

    and had a 13/16 bb/k ratio? The guy got lucky a couple times.

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    If Tom Shearn is in the Reds opening day rotation, then this team is worse then everyone thinks.

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    Who is this guy that won half of his starts and isn't getting consideration for the #4/5 spot?

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    a) if he started 34 games and won half his starts, would you decry 17 *lucky* wins?

    b) If Tom Shearn is in the Reds rotation
    the fifth start after opening day, and we still
    have Hamilton, and the the 4 rooks, it'll
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    Re: Who led Reds starters

    Quote Originally Posted by Ga_Red View Post
    a) if he started 34 games and won half his starts, would you decry 17 *lucky* wins?
    all the other rates being the same, one of the luckiest ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ga_Red View Post
    a) if he started 34 games and won half his starts, would you decry 17 *lucky* wins?
    It will likely mean that our offense is beyond great and that any starter could get 17 wins behind them.

    Shearn is not a major league calibre starter. Walking more than you strikeout is just the tip of the ice berg. That's a worse ratio than Saarloos and is unrecoverable.

    If he gets 34 starts, the Reds don't have a chance. He's just as bad, and even quite possibly worse than the other garbage that has been thrown out there lately.

    And this road has been gone down before. Same argument different name. Didn't work for Milton, Hudson, Wiliams, Anderson, etc. To be a good pitcher, you need to have a strong ability to keep runs off the board. Shearn doesn't have it. He had a lucky stretch. And good offense doesn't make up for his woes. He's a nice story, and it was fun watching him survive on strenght of his yakker, but he's not even close to being a rotation worthy starter. Not even in the ballpark.

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    AK, opine on. Perhaps including some exclamatory
    punctuation would add zest to its fecklessness.
    Or did you presume it to be a priori?

    Had you posited that 6 games is an insufficient sample size from which to deduce anything, I would have agreed. But I'm not making a proposition. You, however, did make the negative
    proposition, with even less data.

    I am not a Shearn apologist.

    But I will insist on something more than a *the moon is made of green cheese* opinion before I dismiss, as impossible to replicate, his 6 game performance as a starter in 2007.
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    Is this the Shearn with the flyball tendencies, K/9=4.41, BB/9= 3.58, FIP=6.60, LOB% of 80% and a BABIP of .240?

    Lucky seems like a great nickname for him IMHO....
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    If Shearn is on the staff this season, it will be as a long reliever, emergency starter. A servicable arm (what did Marty say? - useable?) that can fill in when someone has gotten shellacked or when somebody goes down and you need an arm to start the game and go as long as they can on your Bullpen Days.
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    Shearn, given a full time rotation spot, is just as likely to put up an ERA over 6 as under 6.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Who led Reds starters

    Quote Originally Posted by Ga_Red View Post
    Had you posited that 6 games is an insufficient sample size from which to deduce anything, I would have agreed. But I'm not making a proposition. You, however, did make the negative proposition, with even less data.
    When the small sample size data relating to K-rates and walk-rates etc. are consitent with his lifetime tendacies, it's not unfair to draw a negative inference.

    Shearn is what he is. He did not pitch well in the major leagues, and it was to be expected. He hasn't suddenly become a good pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    If Tom Shearn is in the Reds opening day rotation, then this team is worse then everyone thinks.
    Who thinks this team isn't bad? it lost 90 games last year and it was mostly healthy
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    When the small sample size data relating to K-rates and walk-rates etc. are consitent with his lifetime tendacies, it's not unfair to draw a negative inference.

    Shearn is what he is. He did not pitch well in the major leagues, and it was to be expected. He hasn't suddenly become a good pitcher.
    Exactly. The guy had a fluke ERA. Every single other stat basically leads to an implosion next year. The only way to think that he can handle himself as a major league pitcher is if you only look at the most superficial stats possible.

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    Re: Who led Reds starters

    Quote Originally Posted by Ga_Red View Post
    a. in winning percentage;
    b. had the 3rd best era;
    c. won half his starts; and
    d. is not under consideration for
    a no. 4 or no. 5 spot in the
    2008 rotation? hmmmmmm
    Answer = Winning Percentage, Wins.

    Question = What are 2 of the worst ways to evaluate a pitcher?


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