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    What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    I was looking around Oriole forums and trying to find something of interest from an Oriole fan's perspective. I found such a fan. This person has realized, concerning Bedard's worth, exactly what I hope Krivsky and McPhail understand sooner rather than later.

    The Orioles fans are realizing that asking for Jay Bruce is too much. They seem to be setting their sights on Joey Votto and one of Bailey or Cueto. They also have high interest in acquiring Keppinger(although this poster didn't mention Keppinger in the thread, others did). Here's the quote:

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    "You have to look at this from another team's standpoint though. Dan Haren who is thought to be a better pitcher than Bedard by some only required one top prospect, in Gonzalez. Now they did get 5 other players back but nowhere in the status of what we are asking for. So why should a team pony up two or more top prospects for a pitcher that has had durability questions and only was an ace for 1.5 years with only two years left on his contract and is now 28 when a 27 yr old pitcher under control for three years with no durablity questions went for less. We are lucky to be getting two top prospects after Beane undercut us let alone three."

    "If Bailey/Cueto and Votto are offered with whatever else, I pull the trigger."

    This points out just how much we lost out on by not acquiring Haren and how long he would have been in the Reds control. Kudos to the D'backs for pulling off what Wayne couldn't.

    As I've pointed out in other posts of mine; I hope Wayne Krivsky sits tight and does NOT offer Joey Votto. We have no one else even close to him in the Reds system. Votto is the long-term solution for the Reds at 1st base.

    My final offer for Bedard would be Bailey, Keppinger,Coffey, Valaika, and Drew Stubbs. My reasoning is how long each team would control their new player(s) and very fair for a pitcher "that has had durability problems". This weighs heavily in Baltimore's favor in terms of player control. IMO it is favorable to the Oakland - Arizona trade involving Haren. Your thoughts?

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    No more than Bailey, Hamilton and scrubs. I'd keep kepp. He'll be a great utility guy for years more of cheap baseball.

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vada Pinson Fan View Post
    Your thoughts?
    I think Bedard will help Seattle a lot, and I think the Orioles are gonna love Adam Jones.
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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    I think that if that's the best offer the O's have, they're better off waiting for the trading deadline.

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    They won't get crap out of the trade deadline. They will get MORE now for him, since he can be utilized the entire 2008 season.

    Cueto, Hamilton and a couple more prospects, maybe a Stubbs. The O's need OF's, and CF in particular.

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    I agree 100%, they would be foolish to wait until the trade deadline. They'll get a better offer then Bailey, Keppinger,Coffey, Valaika, and Drew Stubbs though.

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Natty Redlocks View Post
    I think Bedard will help Seattle a lot, and I think the Orioles are gonna love Adam Jones.
    I totally agree! If the Mariners include Adam Jones in the deal along with a pitching prospect, the O's would be crazy not accept that offer. Jones is a top 10 overall talent... the Reds have the depth in their farm system that could pull off the deal, but the M's seem more likely to include top talent.

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    Quote Originally Posted by OUReds View Post
    I agree 100%, they would be foolish to wait until the trade deadline. They'll get a better offer then Bailey, Keppinger,Coffey, Valaika, and Drew Stubbs though.
    It basically comes down to the top players offered from the Reds and Marinersm (if indeed these are the top players being offered). Here is the breakdown and ranking of Homer Bailey and Adam Jones from a minor league ranking site:
    #5 · Cincinnati Reds ·Homer Bailey, Previously ranked#6
    Cincinnati (MLB) 4-2, 5.76ERA, 45.1IP, 28BB, 28K, 1.57 WHIP,
    Louisville (AAA) 6-1, 2.31ERA, 58.1IP, 24BB, 51K, .191BAA


    #16 Seattle Mariners · Adam Jones, Previously ranked#39
    Tacoma (AAA) 80G .304, 20(2B), 5(3B), 19HR, 68RBI, 28BB, 86K, 5SB


    Pitching, being what it is, is what Baltimore needs back, to "flip" Bailey for more talent as well as keeping the other position players the Reds may offer. Overall, I'm not all that impressed With Jones if I could get Bailey.

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    It's not Bailey that is the problem. Keppinger, Coffey, Valaika, and Drew Stubbs are all of very limited trade value

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    The solution to the first base issue is named Griffey or Dunn. That is why Votto is availible. It hasn't been talked about publicly, but Griiffey has indicated in every possible way he wants to remain in Cincy and play for Baker. (Appearance at Nuxhall's funeral and Redsfest proved this. )

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    The Reds won't be getting Bedard. More than likely, Seattle will trade Adam Jones straight up for him. The only thing comparable the Reds have at this point is Bailey straight up for him.
    Who's on first?

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatterRed View Post
    The Reds won't be getting Bedard. More than likely, Seattle will trade Adam Jones straight up for him. The only thing comparable the Reds have at this point is Bailey straight up for him.
    I'd do that...
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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    Word is that they want 3 of our top prospects. I see no way we make a deal if they demand an outfielder like the word is. I would give Bailey, EE and a couple of mid level prospects for a shot at the WS, however.

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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    I would give up Ceuto, Maloney and thats it now that we Edinson. Atleast we give up something to get something.
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    Re: What an Orioles fan is saying about Bedard's worth. Very insightful.

    Bedard will probably not be traded before Opening Day
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    After listening to trade proposals for his ace for the past couple of months, Andy MacPhail says it is a "strong likelihood" that Erik Bedard will be the Baltimore Orioles' Opening Day starter rather than being traded the Baltimore Sun reported.

    Bedard, a 28-year-old left-hander, is the Orioles' biggest trade chip, and moving him for three to four young and major league-ready players would be one of the quickest ways to accelerate the team's rebuilding process. At this point, no team has come close to matching their asking price.

    The Cincinnati Reds won't include top outfield prospect Jay Bruce in a deal for Bedard. The Los Angeles Dodgers, instead signed Japanese right-hander Hiroki Kuroda and were reluctant to deal outfielder Matt Kemp and pitching prospect Clayton Kershaw. The Seattle Mariners remain interested in Bedard, even after signing free-agent right-hander Carlos Silva. However, Mariners general manager Bill Bavasi told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer that pitcher Brandon Morrow, whom the Orioles covet along with outfielder Adam Jones, is "highly, highly unlikely" to be traded.

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